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Epilepsy and Demonic Possession...or something of the sort

Has anyone had problems with religious family members whipping out Mark 9 (the chapter where Jesus heals a boy who apparently is having seizures of some sort), then declaring that you must have demons in you, or you have spiritual unrest, or are somehow "not right" with God?

My father did that to me recently. When he started talking about it, I was afraid he was going to try an exorcism on me right then and there. But he didn't - he just prayed. Ever since then he's been pushing me to talk to my minister about my alleged spiritual unrest. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to do that - soon we'll have a new minister and I can just see me going in on his first day on the job and saying, "O hi, sometimes I wake up at night with a yell and then I shake. Can you help me? I must not be right with God."  The poor minister would probably put a request in for a transfer that same day.

I mean, I do have Demons. I really do. And I have Crime and Punishment and The Idiot and Brothers Karamazov and most of Dostoevsky's works. (Sorry - had to get a book nerd joke in there.)

Seriously, I thank this very same Deity (with whom I am supposedly not right) that I'm an adult and live a few states away from my father. But this still bothers me because I have to deal with my father's pestering me to talk to the minister. Truly, I think it goes beyond just a religious matter and it's more a question of my father's sanity.

So has anyone else dealt with this demons issue?

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I haven't but it sounds so backwards that it is almost funny in that awful sort of way. I am so glad you live far from him. Have you tried to educate him on the science behind epilepsy? I am sure you have. Prayer is powerful but not usually strong enough for this. And an exorcism? Give me a break!

I am so sorry you are dealing with this.

Shannon 

peace R.C.

   HI,

   RUN RUN RUN  far far away......... no I am not laughing when saying this.

      read and heed.    

      " it,s not the crazy people you worry about .......it,s the ones that don,t know it"R.C.

       The only thing that would result from this for me is the stress would give me a gmal.  welllll I would tied up also is the only way I forgot .    sick sick ..      Rick

Where I live there is a large immigrant community for the Pacific Islands, mostly Tonga and Samoa. They are nearly all very religious and the church plays a major role in their lives. Nothing wrong with that of course, but unfortunately epilepsy still seems to be the work of the devil/possession by a lot of the reverends and the older members of the community. Many years ago I did have a pacific lady praying over me during a sz (as I was told later) and asking Jesus to take away the eveil spirits. So an amateur exorcism I guess. It didn't work because 20yrs later I still have szs.

And despite the large Pacific community here, I have NEVER met anyone of them who has epilepsy, at least not openly. I have it on good autority that it is still hidden, and not talked about, and in worst cases, pills aren't taken. A lot of this is church-related as well as cultural. I can only imagine what it's like for anyone who gets E and has no practical support whatsoever. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it's very hard to reconcile culture and religion with science and common sense. What's very interesting is this group is over=represented with diabetes and asthma, and they're not considered to be possesion. I really do wonder what the early Missionaries to the Pacific Islands years ago said about epilepsy.

Kay 

I hate to hear that so many of us have simialr experiences with e and religion. The majority of my family is Christian. Half of them are on the side of e being an illness and half are on the side of it being possession or a punishment from God and I just need to do better.

I converted to Islam and according to my faith e is only a disease and you can either ask God for patience to deal with it, medicine to handle/cure it, or the cure. Either way because you got stuck with it and it sucks having it you're going to get more reward in the hereafter. Most of the American Muslims I've come across comprehend what e is all about. NOW SOME of the people coming from overseas not so much. It's all about praying harder, some committed sin, or a demon, and you may be told go ask this person to do some voodoo junk.

It's all very frustrating, but at least we have each other on here.

Please allow me to shoot my mouth off. When it comes to reading descriptions of any illness in the bible, we need to remember that the authors are doing their best to describe something that they did not fully understand. Personally, I don't care whether someone sees my seizures as demonic possession or illness, as long as they are willing to help me. If they can stop one of my grand mals through prayer, laying on of hands, spraying me with Holy Water, or loading me up with A.E.Ds, I don't care. Just make 'em stop. I have known people who would with out a doubt view e as demonic possession. My ex mother in law's third husband comes to mind. He would pray the demons out of her when she snored. Unfortunately, he passed before I began having seizures. I would have loved to discuss it with him. On the other hand, I work with a couple of Pentacostal preachers. I don't know if they see e as possession or illness, but I do know their concern for my well being after I have an episode is genuine. At my church, no one has brought up possession, but they have made numerous offers of assistance. In fact, the only trouble I've had with people after my last seizure (Christmas Eve after 17 years seizure free), is people arguing with me about commuting around town on my bicycles. I am blessed with these people in my life. I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I hope it helps.

It doesn't take much looking around to realize that sometimes bad stuff happens to good people. It also doesn't take long to realize that a lot of good things can come out of suffering, like character development, opportunities for great compassion, re-prioritization of what really matters.

In my job, I have to build prototypes of "gadgets" and I have to fix things. Often it's unknown territory and I'm encountering a particular problem for the first time.  So I have to take a sec to think, then rummage in a tool box to find what I need to solve the problem. I don't always fish out the right tool the first time, and sometimes I go down a dead end at first, but with patience, I persevere.

In life, I have learned (rather recently), that whenever life gives me an obstacle, I can pause and look around a moment, and sure enough God will have provided me the tool I need to cope with the obstacle. Sometimes it's a tool I've never used before, so it takes a little learning (I might not even recognize it at first, especially if I am convinced I already know what I need), but God has never given me something I can't handle, and I always learn something useful by the experience. 

God loves us little critters, and he provides what we need, even if it's not what we think we want at the time.

I doubt your a bad person and I know I'm late to this subject.  I'd imagine and I'm just guessing that it can be an either or thing demons or medical.  I just had for the first time in my life what was just like a seizure waking from a dream.  I've done some very apostate things lately.  I have real actual demons that I'm getting rid of.  Litterly demons.  And this dream I was about to meet Jesus before I woke up what woke me up was this black evil thing thats been moving around in me sometimes choking me sometimes just kinda resting or moving around my head and as it nearly came out as I was waking up I was shaking violently.  It was just this whole seperate thing that left my back and held on to my neck and head and was flapping around and I was shaking.  As I said I did something to deserve this demon anything not from the bible to get rid of demons seems to fail from what I've seen.  But I'm sure almost all people who are diagnosed by a doctor probably have something neurological as I've been praying and trying to get rid of this I've often has  little ticks and stuff.  I feel for anybody with any serious medical condition controled or not.  BUT I can assure you there is the case where you can have demons inside of you.  God bless.

I can't imagine how that must feel.... going to church and having everyone, parents included, tell you that you're possessed or evil in some way.

I had my first seizure a day before my 14th birthday, and when I was diagnosed with epilepsy a year later after I had another seizure, my mom would tell me not to tell my friends or anything. I'm 20 now. My family accepts what I have, and tried to guard me against the stigmas about epilepsy that at the time, I knew nothing about. I think there is a small family history of seizures on my mom's side... one of her sisters had them.

My family and I are Muslims, and my mom is Indian, but never did they ever imply that I was insane or possessed in any way. I guess it's something you can really be thankful for, having parents that work in scientifically-related fields, because they will not be ignorant when it comes to illnesses that are gravely misunderstood. 

Anyways, that's my story. The only way you can show others that there is nothing to be feared from epilepsy is to educate them about it. But then again, whether or not they choose to believe is their choice... 

 

 

STEPH, WHEN I SAW THIS, I THOUGHT SURELY THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF YOUR JOKES. WHAT YOUR FATHER SAID TO YOU IS JUST AWFUL AND YES, I WOULD QUESTION HIS SANITY. THAT REALLY IS VERY SAD AND I FEEL REALLY BAD FOR YOU. THERE IS A PLACE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS 'THOSE WHO SUFFER ARE GOD'S CHOSEN ONE'. I WISH I COULD TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS, BUT I LOST THE WHEREABOUT OF THE VERSE YEARS AGO AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT SINCE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TALK TO A MINISTER ABOUT YOUR FATHER'S IMPLICATIONS ABOUT YOU. MAYBE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU PEACE OF MIND AND MAYBE THE MINISTER COULD EVEN WRITE TO YOUR FATHER AND EXPLAIN THAT YOU ARE NOT DEMONIZED. I LOVE YOU STEPH.........I AM SORRY AGAIN THAT YOUR FATHER DOES NOT UNDERSTAND.   

I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED. I WISH YOU PEACE, LOVE, BLESSINGS, JOY.........JAN

STEPH, I AM WITH JAN ON THIS ONE. I HAVE HEARD OF PEOPLE THINKING LIKE THIS BUT NEVER EXPERIENCED IT. NO CHURCH I HAVE EVER BELONGED TO WOULD CONDONE THIS TYPE OF THINKING. I WOULD TALK TO THE MINISTER ABOUT THIS AND SEE IF THIS IS JUST WHAT IS IN YOUR DADS THINKING. IF SO, SEE IF THE MINISTER CAN EXPLAIN TO YOUR DAD THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, THAT YOU ARE NOT A DEMON. I AM SO SORRY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO MUCH BECAUSE HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND OR WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EPILEPSY IS.

I TYPE IN CAPS FOR VISUALLY IMPAIRED

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

I have been exorcised by latin witch doctors. Half Christian, half pagan. They got the Bible in one hand, and they yell at you to renounce the devil, but it's all Santeria. I am agnostic. I DO NOT believe. But my mother, a rather rational woman by all other means, begged and begged to try this alternative. They set fire in my house. Sprayed me with holy water from a windex bottle. Set garlic, chili peppers, and rosemary on fire around me and prayed underneath the moonlight in my backyard. I wanted to kill my roommate for granting permission to my mother for allowing this to happen in our house. "Do you read the bible" they ask. "Yes," I said, " and it is a man made thing."
"Renounce the devil." "I don't believe in the devil.." No use fighting with these people. "...fine, I-renounce-the-devil."
My sheets smelled like carbon for a week but my mother thought maybe things were going to be fine...until my next sz.

It didn't work, supposably because they weren't strong enough. Now there is a new group of people. They want a week with me because I am carrying around some curse, proven because they knew I was epileptic before they met me and by the location of a birthmark I have put there by the saint/goddess who spared my life at birth, and I'm not epileptic, just hexed. Blah blah blah. I said no way, I am not indulging that. I am very interested in other cultures. Latin American cultures have some fascinating blends of Christianity and pagan religeon and I'm happy to study them when they aren't trying to study me.

My family really does not want to accept that I have epilepsy. My father insists I just need "a good shrink" despite abnormal EEG's. It hurts me because he tells this to his friends and it feels like they are calling me crazy or unstable constantly. When people tell me I am seizing just because of stress I get really offended now because it makes me feel like this is all my fault. Like I make myself take all this meds or miss work or feel sick for fun. As if I have uncontrolled sz because I really want to lead this kind of life. I tell them, I mostly sz around my period and try to explain and I can tell they tune me out and get uncomfortable. "Well, you should still take things easy" They say this because my fathers tells them this is my problem and nothing more.

I don't know what is harder, having epilepsy or parents who refuse to see that it is there.

In your case, you can try to talk to your minister once. As I did, I tried for my mother once as well. After that you walk away and hope they respect your beliefs. Distance does seem to be key.

I HAVE TO REPLY TO UBERZW AND THE BLOG ABOVE. THOSE WERE NOT SPIRITUAL PEOPLE, NOR DID THAT PSYCHIC KNOW WHAT HE/SHE WAS DOING. SOME CLAIN TO BE SPIRITUAL AND SOME CLAIM TO BE PSYCHIC, BUT PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE GETTING INVOLVED WITH. YOUR PARENTS SHOULD NEVER HAVE SUBJECTED YOU TO THOSE PEOPLE, AND YOU SHOULD NEVER ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT TO BE AROUND YOU. I AM REALLY SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO BOTH OF YOU.

I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED. I WISH YOU PEACE, LOVE, BLESSINGS, JOY.........JAN

I have had the same experience with my mother, except with a psychic.  I was diagnosed 3 months ago at 29 years old and no way could this be happening to her baby.  So she paid all this money to a spiritual worker to figure out what was truly wrong with me.  The lady diagnosed me without ever seeing me and told my mom that some one put a curse on her and it transferred over to me, the fruit of her womb.  And my sz that happen at night were really spiritual attacks happening and my body was trying to rid itself of the demons.

 Then she paid again for the woman to give me some spiritual baths that was supposed to cure me. And told my mom to tell me to get off all of my meds... I entertained this for her because I know it is hard for her too, needless to say, getting off the meds was a huge mistake. And $1500 of my moms money later, I still have epilepsy. And now all she says all the time is that, "I feel so sad for you", or "I just want to cry when I see you".  Makes me feel really good inside.....

Wow! Wow is all I can say! Makes me glad I'm not telling my parents! Hang in there!

Becky

IT ISNT SAFE TO KEEP EPILEPSY A SECRET. JUST BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH THEIR PARENTS, DOESNT MEAN YOU WILL. I DONT HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH MINE. IN FACT I HAVE HAD E ALL MY LIFE. ALSO, I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH ANYONE AT MY CHURCH. I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF SUPPORT FROM SO MANY PEOPLE, EVEN ONES THAT I DIDNT KNOW. I ALSO HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS GETTING RIDES TO CHURCH ON DAYS THAT MY HUBBYS SCHEDULE HAD HIM WORKING ON SUNDAYS. WHEN I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL, THEY WERE THERE INSISTING TO CLEAN MY HOME BEFORE I WAS RELEASED. THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE OUT THERE BECKY. DONT FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO HIDE. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN YOU ARE WITH FAMILY OR FRIENDS, THEY WONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON, THAT CAN BE DANGEROUS AND EVEN SCARIER FOR THEM. THINK ABOUT IT.

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

Hi Banffgirl,

I'm not "hiding" my e from my parents out of fear for myself. My mom has alzheimer's & my dad is trying his best to take care of her at home. All of the rest of us agreed that this may be the straw that sends my dad around the bend. He's under so much stress with my mother. So we just decided not to tell them & that I'll never be alone with them. Which is easy to do since I'm in SC & they're in IN.  :)  As far as everyone else, I've received the most fantastic support! And this website is truly a blessing! Even tho I don't post on here very often, I do check in on a regular basis just to check up on everyone! And I feel like you're all friends now. So thank you all!

Becky

HI BECKY,

IN YOUR SITUATION I SEE YOUR POINT. YOUR DAD IS UNDER A LOT OF STRESS TAKING CARE OF YOUR MOM. HE DOES NEED TO GIVE HIS FULL ATTENTION TO HER CARE AND DOESNT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT YOU. SINCE YOU LIVE OUT OF STATE THERE ISNT THE RISK OF A SEIZURE IN FRONT OF THEM. I AM GLAD YOU HAVE A GOOD SUPPORT GROUP WHERE YOU ARE. YOU DO MAKE LOTS OF GREAT FRIENDS HERE ON E.COM. I AM GLAD YOU JOINED US!!

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

I've never had some idiot tell me anything like this, but if someone did, I'd tell them to go finish the box of Cracker Jacks they were eating, and see if there's something else in the box besides the degree in neuro sciences they found in the first place. I laughed out loud at the "demons" comment, that's really not even a funny joke. You have a condition, it's called Epilepsy, and is treated with medication, diet, and sometimes surgery. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking religion, I'm Catholic myself and wouldn't listen to someone in the church about Epilepsy unless my Neurologist was sitting in the pew next to me. Science sometimes can't even find a cause for Epilepsy, you're going to take someone's advice from a church? Give me a break. 

   Hi,

 yeah, I had the same thing said concerning my seizures.  They all would gather around praying and that would annoy me.   That would turn me off.  I'm not against prayer, but the fact that they consider epilepsy is  demon possesion.   I think a person is afraid of what they don't understand.  I can imagine when I have seizures that they look terrifying to the on-looker.  I don't believe that it has anything to do with demons.  Maybe they need to see an article explaining what epilepsy is.  Sometimes I wonder if they pray out of their own fear, because it looks scary to them.  When I have seizures and get hurt, I don't even feel anything. ... at least until afterwards. I can imagine how it looks to others.  I had never seen an actual seizure, but from how others describe mine is that it look scary.  Some even say that God must be watching out after me.   I know God is watching out after me, because if He wasn't I would have been dead along time ago from the falls I had with them.  If we weren't right with God, he wouldn't protect us during them.  Hope this helps some.

I have read the scripture in Mark that you are talking about. Jesus cured the

boy of epilepsy. The boy had epilepsy and that is all. It is sad that

people think he was demonic. If he was, Jesus would have said so. He

always did when he was dealing with the demons.

 

I emphazise that the boy had epilepsy and Jesus cured him. Jesus was

showing that people have epilepsy and need to be cured. 

 

 

 

 

Wow  - y’all have given me a great perspective on my situation. I’m gladdened&saddened that I’m not alone. :O

I also got a bit of perspective yesterday – aka my bday. Dad didn’t call. It’s the first time in my life I haven’t talked with Dad on my birthday (and he hasn’t sung happy birthday to me). Something is going on with him.  Now I reeaaallly think that his insistence that “I’m not right with God” and the whole thing about @&#* demons is a bit of a projection. This whole crud has nothing to do with my brain and its malfunctionings. I think he has personal issues going on. And somehow these personal issues have erupted in the interpretation of Mark 9. 

Funny, if he would have read Matthew 17, another account of Jesus’ encounter with the sick boy, he would have seen that Jesus rebukes the people who don’t heal the boy, saying it just takes faith. In that account, Christ is getting mad at everyone BUT the boy. Strange he didn’t read that passage….

As Graham Greene apparently said, “Epilepsy, cancer and leprosy—these are the three medical terms which rouse the greatest fear in the untutored.” Mom died of cancer, I have the e…Forgive me for my irreverance: I guess it’s up to my bro to come through with leprosy.  

Thx2All

Steph

STEPH, I AM SORRY YOUR FATHER DIDN'T CALL. IT MUST HAVE REALLY HURT YOU. IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON WITH HIM OTHER THAN YOUR HAVING E.  I HOPE HE WILL BE ALL RIGHT.

 IT ALSO SAY IN MARK 9 THAT JESUS WAS UPSET WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE FAITH. PERHAPS YOU NEED TO WRITE HIM A LETTER, AND QUOTE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, AND POINT OUT THAT HE TOO MUST HAVE FAITH. THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON IN THE BIBLE IS TO LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY, TO NOT JUDGE OTHERS, TO ACCEPT EACH PERSON AS THEY ARE. JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR. MANY (((((HUGS!))))) STEPH, AND LOTS OF LOVE!  LOVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON IN THE BIBLE.   

I WISH YOU PEACE, LOVE, BLESSINGS, JOY.........JAN

I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED.

Well, I'm Christian... and it is true that Jesus did heal a boy who was having some sort of seizure. It souns like a grand mal to me.  My parents aren't so religious tht they know all sorts of verses from the bible and goes tlling me about it an stuff. I don't even think my parents know about  Mark 9:14- 27. I only heard of it I think two years ago when my friend who was counciling me and I were talking about my seizures because I was having trouble with it and my twin was harrassing me about it.  Now, this verse gave me hope because I know that God can heal me and that life wasn't as hopeless as I felt it was at that time. I think if and only if you feel comfortable talking to a minister or somone you trust that can help you, I think you should go talk to them. The only thing they can do is pray and give you comfort though. After all, they are only human. God bless.

Hello all. I am so sorry to hear that some of you are dealing with this type of thing, i too have had someone tell me that my Epilepsy was caused by somthing i did in a past life and the it means that my "sins" are cuasing my seizures. I just about laughed when he was telling me this. [my friends uncle was telling me all this]. Anyway i thought it was interesting but a load of crap at the same time. Its really hurtful to hear that god supposedly is paying you back for your sins and others sins by giving you E. I think its bull and why would an ever loving and wonderful god want to do that to someone who doesnt deserve it? what did we do? It just doesnt sound right. God is supposed to love everyone right? Anyway I felt so odd hearing this from him and i also felt angry at the same time about it. Jeez if this is true, what did I do to deserve being born 3 months early, only wieghing 1 pound and 10 oz, i died 3 times and due to lack of oxygen i am blind, hearing impaired and have some brain damge and have seizures since 6 years old. I do not belive that this is a riligious payback for somthing in a past life, its just being born and surviving somthings that should have killed me, but now I am 25 years old and have two musical CDs published, am finishing college, have a wonderful guide dog Mica. I am thankful to god that i am alive and can enjoy life and art and music and creativity and friends too. My mother said a prayer over me and my twin who has the same problems as me and she prayed for us all the time and thank god we have the mother that we have, she helped us survive 3 months in nicu to come home and live as normal of a life as we can. There are so many things that I am thankful to god and other energy forces out there but I really do not belive that god is doing this stuff to punish us, we have blindness, hearing impairment and seizures due to being born too early and lack of oxygen. Not sinning and all that. Anyway sorry for the length of this, but i know how you feel and I think its sad that society already has a bad image of seizures and all other disabilities but someone adding to it by saying that your possessed and a sinner and all that just becuase of a structural problem in the brain and the disease of E is wrong andthis is more like  somthing that people assumed about E in midevil times,  before there was advanced medical research to prove that its biological. These things are out of our control but NOT becuz of religus unrest. Maybe the people saying all this hurtful stuff are the ones that are at unrest! They need to talk to a pastor not the person with E.  Good luck and take care. [crystal11's sister, Danielle.]

OH CHRYSTAL, I AM SO GLAD YOU SAID WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID AND I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME........DUH! GOD IS LOVE. A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT MEANS SO VERY MUCH! YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND SURVIVING WONDERFULLY! TOO BAD YOU FORGOT YOUR DOGS NAME! LOL! MICA IS YOUR SIS'S DOG!!!! LOL!

VERY WELL STATED CHRYSTAL, I AM GLAD YOU PUT YOUR TWO CENTS IN THIS DISCUSSION. THIS SHOULD HELP STEPH'S CAUSE!

I WISH YOU PEACE, LOVE, BLESSINGS, JOY.........JAN

I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED.

I am so sorry. Although no one ever said those things to me I felt as if I were being punished and that comes from the Old Testament views that most of us were raised on. Please read (Hebrews 4:16).  In a book that I read, 'Seized for His Glory', written by Brenda Robinson, and through prayer I found my answer. Here's an exert from her book and a quote from scripture:

" I don't want people to doubt their salvation or to see God as cruel and Punishing. God doesn't punish His children; He corrects them, and there is a big difference between the two. At Calvary, Jesus took upon Himself our punishment so that we might "come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need". "

 The author of the book I just mentioned suffered from E and almost died, but through her faith and a lot of prayer she was healed by the grace of God and has been seizure free for 17 years. I hope this helps you as it has helped me. He is not a punishing God and through Epilepsy He has brought me closer to Him and answered my prayers. May God continue to Bless you.

Angela 

 

  I am sorry to hear that you have gone through this too. Some in the area I live in believes this also. I have lost friends because of this.  I believe this is not true though. I have been trying to write a book about this called  "When The Angels Need To Talk" But I become frust. and stop because I have trouble with spelling. I came by this because a Rev. I meet when I was taken to a hosp. because of having a sz. in a store. Here is what he told me.

 He said " The Angels need help because of all the wrong things that are happening. And that they sometime choose someone to bond with. Once in awhile they need to get help from this person so they come and  talk or show us something. Our bodies on Earth do not know how to handle this, and this is where a sz. or worse comes into play.  So I should not feel like a demon is inside but that I am one that is blessed. And it is a shame that our bodies are not able to handle this, but we are must make sacrifices. Some show more than others. And those that are afraid,  maybe afraid that it was something about them that I was told or shown"

 I have chose to believe him.  Do not get me wrong, I do not feel I am better than anyone else. And if he was not right that is ok too. It helps me get through my hard times. I do not know how you or any others see this, but it has helps some others with sz. in my area. Take Care And Good Luck to you and yours kat 

 I do not know how you see this, but I have chose to believe him.

Wow! That's an amazing story. I believe you and I also beleive Angels are placed on this earth to protect and guide us. I've never told anyone this story on line, but I would like to share it with you.

 The day before I was officially diagnosed with Epilepsy, I had arrived at the hospital late to pick up the EEG disc that my Neurologist told me I needed to get ASAP. There was only one nurse available at the time to help me search throught the EEG tech's office for the disc. While I was waiting, an older lady who I hadn't seen when I first entered the hallway, came to me and touched my hand. She asked me if I was sick. I began to tear up and I told her I didn't know. She then said with the kindest eyes and the sweetest voice, "I was sent here to pray for you and to let you know that all will be right in God's time, just have faith." I started to cry and when the Nurse came back I asked her how to get back to the front of the building to get to my car. The little lady touched my arm again and pointed out the door and said, "there's your car my dear." Sure enough, there it was parked right outside the glass door. I looked at her strangely and knew immediately she was an Angel sent to protect and guide me and prepare me for some bad news. I know I didn't come through that door when I came in, but she said she saw me. I started out the door to my car and when I looked back, she was gone. I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. I can't explain it any other way.

You should write your book and share your story. There are so many others struggling with E whose lives you can touch, just as you have mine. May God continue to Bless you. Thank you so much for sharing.

Angela

I would have told him to go away and clime a tree and stop talking rubbish to me.

I listen to no one exept my neuro. If you can't show me that medical degree and you have no compassion: be quiet.

I to am sorry to hear that people to this very day believe that Epilepsy is in some way related to demonic possession.

I don't have Epilepsy myself but I am married to a wonderful woman named Edwina who has a very severe form of Epilepsy that is not fully controlled by the 3 different types of medications that she takes.

In my honest and well educated opinion, I can truly say that I understand how (among those that are not at all educated on the subject of Epilepsy) someone can confuse the two. 

When I first met my wife in 1991, i had been in a car with her when I first witnessed her having a full blown grand mal seizure and I will tell you that yes I was horrified and deep down inside I thought that I was going to be attending her funeral days later.  I had no education whatsoever in dealing with someone who was Epileptic and honestly did not know what was happening because it had only been the second seizure I had ever witnessed in my life.  The first one I had witnessed I only heard the sounds but had no view of what was happening to the person physically.

 Now almost 20 years and  about 100,000 seizures later,  I can honestly say that in my opinion there is no credibility to any connection that has been discussed about the relationship between Epilepsy and demonic possession.  A complete lack on knowledge of the causes of Epilepsy and how to treat a person afflicted by it has probably been the most common source of mis-information related to the subject.

If anybody is interested in seeing a good movie on the subject you can rent "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" which is based on the true story of Annielese Michel whose name I am sure I spelled wrong.

I wish you all a very happy and healthy new year.

Paul

like several of us, the same thing has occurred.  they are full of it.  that same stigma has hurt people with seizure disorders for centuries.  in some cultures it is considered to be a direct contact with God.  i think it is a medical problem,  just like sugar, high blood pressure, or cardiac problems.  i may or may not be a part of your father's mental state.  he is probably looking for something that will help his child.  parents sometimes push things to hard.  let him pray if it make him feel better.  do so yourself, if....it makes you feel better.  i had a pastor try that crap with me. two things happened.  i told him i was already being taken care of by one of the people he has here to help with this stuff.  a doctor, and the doc has annointed me with oil.  that was the medicince of the day as far as the bible.  we call it medication now.  after that i walk out of the church and have not return to that church.  if you are going to go to the church you may want to tell him you have seizures, and not to worry about it.

i have to differ with you on the book nerd thing,  in my world that is call well read.  i hope you do well with your seizures and your father.  have a good year, oh keep reading all that quackery.  it will open your mind.  big smile..  rikk

 I have had that happen to me before...several times. I grew up in church and I used to sing on Sunday mornings. One time we were practicing and I had a seizure. I had previously instructed everyone what to do if I had one, but instead of rolling me on my side they gathered around me praying. I guess everyone there were putting their hands on my head until my mom came in and told them to stop. When I came out of it one of the pastors came up to me and told me he thought there was an evil spirit in the necklace I was wearing. I had another one a few months later and the pastor asked if i would have a meeting with him. He told me he thought it was neccessary to do an extorcism! I of course, was inextremely insulted by that, but I told him I'd think about it. I didn't get back to him quickly enough I guess because a month later he had another meeting with my mom and I, and he told me I was no longer welcomed there. It was an awful experience, and I haven't wanted to go back to church since. I'm sorry you're having to deal with that now.

Audrey

 

i am sorry you are going through.  i seem to remember that judgement is one of the things that is not suppose to happen.  i also seem to remember something about welcomeing all that would come.  you have every right to be insulted.  that type of thinking is just one aspect of dealing with epilepsy.  i had a word of God with my preacher and gave him instructions and seizure disorder.  then i gave more specific instructions on what he could do with his church.  i also told him that if he were the one that God choose,  i have a great doubt in his ability to interpret the bible or God's instructions.  then i said bye and have not been back since.  don't listen to there crap, and remember it is there crap.  hope it helps.  rikk

Well after suffering seizures for 20yrs and now 44 my research has shown me a similarity to epilepsy and schizofrinia(well english wasnt my best subject) and after being made aware of similar seizures in myself I can relate to the possible two parts to me battling to take control.. Even tho I dont suffer schiz I and am aware we all have parts to our makeup and If one part wants to be the primary controller then maybe this is how it manifests through the seizure.. If folk where religeous I'm sure this may be constude in the demonic possession criterea or if just a person like myself who is aware of their own wants and needs its a matter of what or which part of ones self to believe as being correct...   FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Don't blame your father, have you ever seen somone have a seizure? I have been called a demon by a man before, scared the living crap out of him, and broke my heart. I knew people who believed that i was possessed, this stems from ignorance, when my mom became more educated, she was great, she would just ask how I felt after mopping up the blood, explain this to your dad, he most likeley does not understand how much you just want to be you, and not the "demon".

It's wonderful your Mom is so great. My father has become a *little* more laid back - but he insists on putting his hands on me when I'm having a seizure. I don't have major seizures - my arm just shakes. Which makes it even more absurd - "OMG! A shaking arm! Demon!"
When Dad puts his hands on me, I don't know if he's praying or what - I think he might be, but it's not aloud, so I don't find it unsettling.  The main thing is that he doesn't touch my shaking arm and it's comforting to have my father's hands on my other arm.
I'm sorry you've had to deal with people who believed you were possessed - you're right in that it comes from ignorance. I don't know if Dad will ever be un-ignorant, but as long as he doesn't touch my shaking arm and doesn't pray aloud, then I think we might have found a good compromise.

Education is the cure for ignorance.  Like I said explain the comfort, I once had a man hold me and talk to me as my mother did when I was a child, it calmed me. I have grand mal seizures, which are usually bad, and small ones on occasion. And besides for people who believe the demon thing, how do we know it is not just the opposite? I have a strong belief in God, I think everything happenes for a reason, if I thought my suffering was in vain, I would not be here today. I think that the experience could have impacted my compassion, it has impacted the person I am today, I have suffered so much for this, that means so little now, I am a counselor, and I will always dedicate my life to empowering people. I would not say that it was worth it, as there is no comparison, but to live in the past would be suicidal. The main thing that keeps me going is my hope, my faith, and my heart.

We must not take the bible out of it's historical context. Back in those days, demon possession and evil spirits were everywhere...idol worshipers, idols in every household. Here in this day and age there still are places in the world where people practice idol worship and invite the demons in. BUT you are Christian and the US is not one of those places. You can't just take a passage of scripture and paste it onto the 21st century, you have to interperet it the way it was intended as it was written for that time and era and culture and place...then make a 21st century application from it to learn for our culture, time and place. Your father apparently has not understood the passage correctly to interperet correctly or apply it correctly. You are not demon possessed.

Many religious people have told me my epileptic speech problems are a gift from god to speak in
tongues. A few of them become very angry when my epilepsy doesn't cooperate and I don't "truly try"!
TLE's sexual apathy became a troubling lure to a few self-professed religious individuals in my middle
to late adolescence; while they were preaching against what they wanted, they demanded it from me
to no cooperative avail, and they became very angry too (and physically rough).

The biggest fear of the "demons" of epilepsy are now with the various Schools of Psychological Thought
and their magical (read this as "stupid, blindly believed") Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
Mental Disorders, which accomplishes nothing but needless trouble as a "cure" for epilepsy, since they
"know" epilepsy is so "rare" as to be not worth considering as a serious initial possibility before
the cure of everything else is administered (I decided not to major in psych when I witnessed how
homeless epileptics sufferring seizures were treated by Mental Health "experts", with my close study of
the MMPI).

Your "Oozing Unctuosness and Most Mucilagenous" (Tadzio),

I don't know if you're still around these parts, but I'm guessing a fellow fan of Dosteyofski (ooh, sorry, I still can't remember how to spell) is worth following. It seems our friend was here.

Stephs,

Another brave soul. No one really likes to talk about these things. I am beyond fragmented. I feel like Humpty Dumpty. I've been called crazy and have the papers to prove it.

Any one who told you that TL seizures are SPs, needs to be sent back to school. They are complex partials because of what is known as "altered consciousness.". Déja vu, for example. Fractured personality. All of the little and not so little mind benders. It's temporal lobe. Temporal lobe and complex partial seizures are the same thing.

People with these types of seizures often are reluctant to make them stop. If you don't mind not knowing how to write or losing musicality or having the same song looping in your head, go ahead. It's a great ride until you crash.

Find a GOOD neuro. One who actually knows about this. It may take awhile. Ask for Trileptal, Vitamine D, and Folic Acid. If he asks you why because he doesn't know why or dismisses you outright, FIND ANOTHER NEURO!

Please take good care of yourselves. It may be difficult to find anyone else who will.

Best of luck to all of you.

Zealot

Hi Zealot,

Yes, Yes, and Yes. I do have Demons, I do have the Devils and the Devils' notebooks, and I possess the Possessed.

Various translators always tinker with the Art, and the tinker's dam gives both more ingress and egress.

Speaking the same language doesn't help, as Nabokov's moral art of the aesthete verifies. While epilepsy's ecstatic iurodivyi, but still being the idiot studying the Idiot is a more curious paradox, and playing the Gambler with the Confidence-Man, while being lectured on Job, gives my articulate speaking-in-tongues temptations of engraving Gold Tablets for Uncle GodBucks' immortality program. For sure, it is best to seize on a Fine Persian Rug. And Mammon makes the irreplaceable easily replaced. At least that's what Uncle GodBucks chants in his Dollar Signs: "Lord of Silver, Lord of Gold, Lord for Money, Our Spirits sold, Let the Poor crumble to Dust, In God We Trust." I believe Uncle GodBucks is mistaken, but this Age of Materialism is contrary to my beliefs, like most every piece of USA currency declares.

My hematoma stopped me near dead in the middle of Anthony Briggs' new translation of War & Peace, and made the Pevear & Volokhonsky translation a mere future enticement. It is still a shock that the original Anna Karenina is so Un-American past the first page, but the first page is usually considered course-completion. I also studied Tolstoy's What Is Art in philosophy classes, along with various biographies, but don't tell our friend, or Tolstoy will be placed with iurodivyi neighbourhooded Dostoevsky, despite everyone's epilepsy concerns.

I better shut-up with my now epileptic inner kingdom blatherings, or I'll never be heard from again!!! LOL.

Tadzio

After experiencing quite a nasty first seizure with my 15 year old daughter I can honestly see why people would think it's a demonic possession. I think education into seizures can go some way to improving the situation. Seizures do have a medical explanation and they happen to even the most devote Christians.

As part of this website's mission statement "Information, Community, Empowerment". Amen!

 

 

Apparently Joan of Arc is suspected to have suffered from epilepsy.  She led the French to victory because they believed she heard from God (they may have been her auras).  If your dad doubts this, tell him to look it up on Wikipedia.  After all, Joan of Arc is a saint.....

 Just because someone has epilepsy like we do, doesn't mean we are mad, possessed, going to harm someone intentionally or speak in tongues. 

Such is our lot in life-how sad.  Your father may believe in "Honor thy father", but remember it works both ways.  If my dad EVER treated me like that, I'd take that bible and shove it where the sun doesn't shine...

It'll also show him other people that suffered from epilepsy who have gone on to do wonderful things.

 

Isdor81,

Well.....I used to attend church and considered myself a Christian until my seizures were so out of control. Of course, I couldn't drive, work, etc. and had to ask others in the church for help, but most of them turned out to be the biggest hypocrites I've ever dealt with!
If I prayed more, did more, etc. the seizures would go away, the idiots would tell me. Ha!!!

I'm going to post a poem I've written for the people in this world who don't understand our affliction:

THE BLISS of IGNORANCE

If ignorance is Bliss,
Why do so many choose to miss,
Ignore or disregard learning,
When many in the world are yearning.

Yearning for a cure to our affliction,
Not a drug or alcohol addiction.
A condition you can't always see,
When you do, we may "look" crazy.

We may stare and chew, or fall and quake,
It's a seizure and our life could be at stake.
Only when the right knowledge is in place,
Then we know we will be safe.

So don't ignore us today,
When today may never be a yesterday.
Not one can know it all,
Ignorance is Bliss, so they say.

Cindy

Hello. I really think this is an interesting subject. I was just diagnosed in May with epilepsy. I had a huge tonic-clonic seizure on May 21 2009. Up until this point, I have been having these intense dejavus which I now know are Simple Partial Seizures.  My tonic-clonic seizure I had they call a Secondary Generalized tonic-clonic seizure

 

I am not on medication. My dr. wants me to be on Lamictal. I just
really believe that these meds cause a whole new set of problems that I
am just not ready to deal with.  I also think that I need to keep good
track of my seizures (now that I know what it is) for at least a year,
so that I can know how huge of a presence it is in my life. I know this
all sounds very cavalier, and I am sure I am in a bit of denial. But at
the same time- these experiences with deja vu are so unique and
baffling (and physically sickening...) A huge part of me wants to explore this before I completely numb myslef with meds.  Please do not take offense to this- I really think meds are important for a lot of people. Possibly for me too, in the future. I am just not ready.

 

So, I am not a religious person in the traditional sense. In fact, being in a  religious service makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortabe. I don't go to church, but have been to a few funeral services and weddings in churches over the last 10 years. I have done flowers for some of these events, and have been in the church completely alone and felt very  calm and quite wonderful. But as soon as the service starts, I get elevated heartbeat, extreme anxiety and anger and i usually leave because I don't want to participate. Even if if it a family members service...

Thought that might be important to mention, for some reason...

 

My deja vus are very intense, and although I know it is epilepsy, I also feel like there is a whole other world out there that I am somehow closer to during these experiences.  I have spent 2 full days recently (each a week apart from each other) feeling as though I had experienced the ENTIRE day before. I even what was going to happen in a tv show that was airing for the first time. I kept on running into people I knew all day, and almost everyone I saw that day I knew I had seen before. Like 6 degrees of seperation, and we are all revolving around each other in this world as though it is a movie I have seen before.

 

Lately, when I have my SPS/deja vus, I also seem to have a glimpse or memory of when the original memory came to me.  If the deja vu is from a dream it is impossible to place. But if it is a fleeting thought I had in the past, I can picture myself and what I was wearing during the original thought, when I am in the present moment with the deja vu. It is all very trivial stuff, but there is a definite connection, down to the smells, sounds and visual picture.  This used to leave me feeling like something bad was going to happen, and this was a sign to change my path. When nothing bad would happen that day, I was always surprised, becasue I couldn't figure out why I so intensely felt like it was a bad sign. Now I am trying to look at it positively, and look for a hidden meaning in all of it.   Even if it is just a simple lesson. Needless to say, my SPS make me question EVERYTHING. 

 

So last week, I was at a yard sale. (Let me add that this is one of the 2 days described above, where I was SURE it had already happened) I was looking at these books, all very interesting. Books on past lives, astrology, out of body experiences. Healing herbs, astral projection,  even one called Absent minded? explantions for our brief lapses in memory.  These topics are a little out there for me- I am a massage therapist though, so I do have some capacity for this stuff. Then I starting thinking, ok this is why everything is familiar today! I am supposed to be here, some of these books may give me another perspective.  At that point,  I overheard the lady who was running the sale, having a deep conversation with another shopper. I approached her a little later and let her know I had overheard her telling someone that she does spiritual healing.  (Apparently her dad was a well known psychic, and these were his books) I asked her if she does readings, etc. She told me that she does, and that she uses a form of tapping called EFT to treat people. (Emotional Freedom Technique- all very interesting stuff) Another huge sign for me!!   I then told her that I have epilepsy and very intense deja vus that are simple partial seizures.  She got very serious and looked me deep in the eyes and said with such conviction- You suffered a very long fall in another life. I got very emotional right away. She asked me if I have a fear of heights.  I told her no, but I do have a fear of falling. For a very long time now, whenever I go down stairs, I can picture and feel myself falling. So much so, that I really hang onto the walls when I go up and down stairs.   Then she asked me- Do you feel like you are 2 different people? And a floodgate of tears came out, no control. Lots of peole there around me, and I could not stop this from coming out. I said YES! I do feel like 2 people, these deja vus make me feel like there is a whole other world out there that I am not a part of.  In fact, just last week, a friend gave me a painting called 'Reunion'. It is a painting of me looking at myself and our hands are ALMOST touching.  It is all about finding your true self, and how very close we feel to our trueselves, and how evasive it can be.   This was such a huge sign, it cannot be just a coincidence.  I am really looking forward to talking with her. 

 

All in all, epilepsy is very serious. But we also would be fools to deny there is something very esoteric about this experience. If this is the good that comes of this awful burden, then I guess I will need to be ok with that. 

 

Thanks