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If you cant be nice than dont say anything at all

Wed, 04/19/2006 - 14:27
I came across a post that was all about someones fears and the fact that they are having a hard time with what they are going thru. In one of the responses they got it came across as what I felt was a very mean and uncaring response. I think that this forum is a way for people to express there feelings and thoughts the good the bad and the ugly. I would hate to think that in responding to these thoughts that we as a group would be or try to be understanding and supportive. If we cant be nice than we shouldnt respond at all no one needs there feelings to be dismissed or made to feel invalid or that they dont count. I think we all need to remember that we need to treat others the way we would like to be treated no more or no less. Because we never know how one kind word might make someones world a little better, or one nasty word might make there world crumble around them. I think that we should remember what we learned as childeren "play nice or dont play at all"

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Re: Re: Re: Re: If you cant be nice than dont say anything at al

Submitted by Cathy_C on Wed, 2006-04-26 - 07:00
thanks Gretchen :) I just feel life would go better. They always say that ya hardly ever know your neighbors or ever even speak. I don't wait for the other person. There was this one day I made a bunch of chocolate cookies and put them in tins and delivered them on foot (since I can't drive) to all my neighbors (Just because) didn't have a reason, just to say hi and let them know someone did know they were there :) One just don't know what an act of kindness can do for someone. I might have seizure problems that I fight with, but that doesn't give me any reason not to be as good of a person as I can the rest of the time. Always nice to be positive, or atleast try to be. Have a great day and may you help someone today ;)

Hi Cathy_C. Thank you for

Submitted by happycat2 on Thu, 2006-04-27 - 22:53
Hi Cathy_C. Thank you for your thoughts, and observations. Interpretation isn't always valid or right, and people end up getting hurt. Angry demands more often than not will alienate people, or polarise them. Then, they are less likely to bow to pressure. I guess it's because people generally don't want to be controlled, or coerced into accepting another person's standard? as the 'best way' it never works in changing others. What I love most about this site (and Yahoo groups) is the voluntary exchange of information. It reflects the events in people's lives that matter to them. To me, there's nothing worse than having choice taken away-no matter the method used. I realized by your own observations-which I thank you for, you realized how people feel, and are affected by words. Your post has shown there are things that can be fixed, things that can't. You-as I and others have, already identified the difficulties around disclosure. You saw and realized there's more than one way of seeing something. To do that has to take into account truly how people feel. That involves making a decision centred on freedom of choice-or should do, based on listening, reading, and fact. It's common-sense to realize it can be dangerous to assume you know what the other person thinks or feels. Maybe it's worth keeping in mind people don't always get what they want by coercion. You can use that- and loose motivating the people who care and want to be around. Demeaning somebody can be counter- productive, and cause hurt and resentment. Epilepsy brings it's own chains for people, their families and friends,they don't need others making chains for them. Cat. "Many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

Re: Hi Cathy_C. Thank you for

Submitted by gretchen1 on Fri, 2006-04-28 - 11:27
Cathy - I did that same thing, I moved into a new neighborhood days before I was diagnosed. We had just moved away from our home area where I had a large support system. I had none where we had moved to and immediately I got diagnosed with epilepsy. On top of that my husband was just getting over open heart surery he'd had several weeks before. For several weeks I wished more than one neighbor would introduce themselves to us, we could start building a new support group but no one did. I was terribly lonely and frightened. Finally I thought, why can't I be the one then. I made a loaf of bread for many of our neighbors. I put a little card briefly introducing us and wound up meeting a lot of wonderful people that I'm still friends with now years later. I'm also from a country that has a national religion. I emigrated as a child so I'm really more familiar with American customs but my large family's custom is firmly, we're Lutherans. We had other customs too such as you did not go to church with a boy for any reason, such as if you are dating a man you would not attend a wedding with him in any church, unless you're engaged to him. If I did attend a church event with a boy or man I was dating, it would be like unofficially declaring I was engaged. In my lifetime I had attended church services two times that was not Lutheran. IOW my organized religious experiences were very narrow. The town we moved to didn't have a Lutheran church. It's funny now looking back on it but I felt real panic - what in the world do we do now? Right around this time, I'm not sure exactly how all this fit together, one of the neighbors I met was a delightful red head, with freckles and green eyes. She was from Bosnia and a Muslim. She told me 2/3's of her country were Muslims. All I had read about Muslim's were about people who had jahads, terrorists, murderers. She asked us to go to church with her. I don't remember what I thought, fear I think, but also surprise this red headed freckled gregarious and also pregnant woman was a Muslim. EEEKKKSSS She sure didn't seem or act like a terrorist! We did attend church with her and just me personally found that real Muslim foundations of faith were more in line with how I felt, and wanted to live. IOW I had made a lot of false assumptions about a large group of people and it was all incorrect. Going along with that something CAT said I can also be guilty of. Thinking I can read someone else's mind. I just might be the least skilled person in ability to do this too yet I continue to do so from a post or virtually, then get hurt or angry. I don't know if many agree with this but I feel like when someone has hurt me I want them to do for me as I usually do. If a post hurts me? I have written an email to that person and told them it did. Almost always it turns out I took what they said too personnaly, on the chin, or I misinterpreted what they said. For my self I post postictally. I was a member here for a year and the membership at that time, thankfully, got to know I'd write ranting, raving, crazy posts with tons of misspellings, very rambling, just furious about something, usually not on topic, often starting a new thread. What was really impressive about that is that people often responded with queries of - are you okay Gretchen? Are you alone? Are you seizing? Eventually a group of people asked for my phone number so they could call me, see if I was okay knowing I'm often alone, and very likely sz'ing. But it could have been taken the other way too. Sometimes I've posted and I know others have too, just slightly postictal, just enough our emotions are in hyperdrive and either write something they regret (I regret) or misinterpret posts through a heavy emotional veil. I'm always so thankful when people read a post of mine that is nutty and realize I'm probably post ictal and I do tend to want to post at times when I am postictal, unfortunately. I was even kicked off a forum because of a postictal post I made that was in very bad taste, I admit, but I didn't even remember writing it, until the moderator of that forum said I was out of line, and was kicked off temporarily. This is why if I'm insulted by a post and if I can't drop it in my own mind, I'll write that person an email, tell them I found that insulting and usually they're glad I did. I had misinterpreted what they said. We all have different writing abilities, different ways and capacities to express ourselves. In my case I write in English but often am thinking in Swedish, and the phrasing is different. So what I might write in English might come out too blunt or insulting because I'm translating in my head. It's also one of the reasons why my posts tend to be so long. It's really a hard skill to think in one language and write in another. It's takes me awhile to get there. I reiterate myself a lot. I also have brain damage. When I had a head injury one of the places it hit was my writing/speaking centers. I spent months and months in therapy and progressed beyond my therapist's prognosis. Mine too. But my ability to express in writing especially is impaired. I have run on and incomplete sentences. Sometimes the wrong word will be incorporated. I make a lot of typos but I'm not able to see them. I'm sure other people have their own reasons for having problems with written expression. IOW I know I need to practice tolerance because it's something I want for myself. Gretchen

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