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Jamais vu Deja vu

Tue, 10/24/2006 - 10:05
please will someone explain to me- when these things happen are they an "aura" or are they an actual seizure? how frequently does this occur in a non-epileptic population?

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Re: Jamais vu + Deja vu

Submitted by Sophist on Tue, 2006-10-24 - 12:59
I believe (but don't quote me on it) that people who experience more frequent episodes of deja/jamais vu are more likely to have abnormal EEGs. Deja vu and jamais vu are also more prone to occur in children more often, but they will more or less grow out of it. When I was younger, I had occasional instances of deja vu. These stopped come teenage years. Later on I've experienced occasional jamais vu (which is an unsettling feeling) but this hardly happens anymore. I think the last time was probably in my early 20s. I am 25 now. In the general population, I think these episodes could be be described as "occasional" to fall within the normal range. But then I think this also varies with the type of sample, too. For instance, I believe "artists" are more prone to continue having episodes of these beyond the childhood years. If you're having deja/jamais vu a couple times a week or more, I'd say it's probably more closely linked with abnormal EEG activity and/or seizures. To my understanding, these are temporal lobe related and occur more with Limbic TLE.

Re: Re: Jamais vu + Deja vu

Submitted by mommy2kyra on Tue, 2006-10-24 - 14:24
"Deja vu and jamais vu are also more prone to occur in children more often, but they will more or less grow out of it." I must be unusual, because I'm 35 and my scary deja vu happened every time I had a seizure (which was pretty darn often). No fair, LOL! "In the general population, I think these episodes could be be described as "occasional" to fall within the normal range. But then I think this also varies with the type of sample, too. For instance, I believe "artists" are more prone to continue having episodes of these beyond the childhood years." And I'm no artist either darnit! Heather :) p.s. My seizure focus was deep within the LTL though, and I definitely agree with frequent deja vu's and likely seizure activity.

Hi widhrt, :) I'm going to

Submitted by solis on Tue, 2006-10-24 - 15:06
Hi widhrt, :) I'm going to give you some pages (written via epilepsy physicians) so you'll understand the importance of getting this completely checked and the reason why. btw.. "Sometimes the seizure activity (=aura) spreads to other parts of the brain, so another type of seizure follows the simple partial seizure. This can be a complex partial seizure or a secondarily generalized seizure." Source, 1st below An aura is always a simple partial which occurs immediately before another type of seizure. http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/seizure_simplepartial.html (look under psychic seizures) http://professionals.epilepsy.com/page/seizclass_factors.html Bottom line: if the deja/jamis vu experience exists solo.. it is a simple partial seizure. If it is immediately followed by another type of seizure, it is still a simple partial but is referred to as the 'aura' ( = what 'told you' what was coming). It DOES NOT occur if there is not a problem causing the brain to misfire and malfunction. Hi Sophist, My temporal lobectomy included removal of parts of both the hippocampus and amygdalia, yet I only had 2 jamais vu seizures in my life of seizures (49 years); I am an artist (I majored in both theatre and theatre 'art' in university); plus, also contrary to your allegations, my EEGs always revealed a problem. I never had a a jamais vu until after I'd been perfectly controlled for over ten years, so I didn't correlate the momentary occurrances with partial seizures. Which is what they are, even if an 'artist' has them only every once in awhile. Re: "Deja vu and jamais vu are also more prone to occur in children more often, but they will more or less grow out of it." I had simple and complex partial epilepsy since ange three and never had either a deja or jamais vu seizure. Also, deja and jamais vu seizures are types are simple partials 'some' of which is outgrown; but, it is NOT a seizure type known for that result (like some childhood E types or absence seizures). You may have plans of going further in psychology (and I wish you the best) but I assure you, you do not know all about epilepsy. You don't have any medical diagnosis, have no experience seeing specialists, taking meds, being tested, or years of doing research in this area. Yet, despite conforming to all of the above, I've learned via others on this site, so please don't take my words as an intent to malign you in any way. I'd (respectfully) suggest you get checked out via a physician. Why? To make sure it IS a non-evolving E, you have chosen not to take meds for..and not something that could have been prevented from getting worse. ~sol

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