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I was just reading on this website all of the forums about drinking and smoking cigarettes and how bad they are for you. It didnt say anything about weed and I smoke weed maybe once a week or once every two weeks and is it bad for having seizures? Also if you drink maybe two beers to three beers once a weekend is that bad?

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Re: Smoking marijuana and drinking

Submitted by ROCKNROLL on Sat, 2008-04-12 - 06:23

SYNDEY, I DID APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. I AM ASHAMED OF MYSELF FOR HAVING REACTED THE WAY I DID. ALL I CAN DO IS APOLOGIZE AND IF SOMEONE CANNOT ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGY, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT, EXCEPT DELETE WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. THAT SEEMS LIKE THE COWARDS WAY OUT. MY CHOICE WAS TO LEAVE IT THERE SO OTHERS MIGHT SEE HOW MY REACTION UPSET PEOPLE AND LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE, HOPEFULLY SO ALL OF US WILL STOP AND THINK BEFORE WE REPLY TO ANY BLOG OR DISCUSSION. SINCE THESE FORUMS ARE OPEN, ANYONE CAN REPLY. WHEN ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT ANY TOPIC, IS IT NOT USEFUL TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE? IS IT NOT USEFUL TO LEARN THRU WHAT I WROTE IN MY APOLOGY THAT DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION AND NOT VIEWED AS ONE SIMPLY SAYING DRUGS ARE BAD. THE QUESTION THAT STARTED THIS FORUM DISCUSSION IS INDEED A VERY VALID QUESTION. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIECE THAT RELATES DIRECTLY TO THE QUESTION SHOULD NOT WRITE ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED AND LIVED THRU. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. GRANTED, MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS TERRIBLE, BUT IF YOU HAD LIVED THRU THE TRAUMA OF HEARING OVER AND OVER THAT FRIENDS HAD DIED FROM DRUGS, OR MIXING DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, PERHAPS YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY I BELIVE I HAVE VALUABLE INFORMATION TO GIVE. I MIXED ALCOHOL WITH SOME DIET PILLS MANY MANY YEARS AGO, AND I ALMOST DIED. IT WAS A VERY STUPID MISTAKE ON MY PART. I WAS AT A FRIENDS HOUSE ONE DAY, ALSO MANY YEARS AGO. I DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS USING DRUGS. I LEFT HER HOUSE AND MADE THE 5 MINUTE DRIVE BACK TO MY HOME. MY SISTER WAS WAITING ON THE PORCH FOR ME. KAREN WAS DEAD FROM AN OVERDOSE. IN THE FEW MINUTES IT TOOK ME TO GET HOME, KAREN HAD DIED. THAT STILL HAUNTS ME. I REMEMBER THE SHOCK OF HEARING MY FRIEND HAD DIED WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AFTER I LEFT HER KAREN WAS ONE OF MANY WHO MIXED DRUGS AND DIED. I WAS YOUNG THEN, IN MY EARLY TWENTIES, YET IN SOME WAYS IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY. IS THAT NOT VLAUABLE INFORMATION TO CONSIDER? IF YOU THINK NOT, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. I HOPE THAT YOU DO NOT THINK THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT YOUR AGE NOW, THAT MY SAYING WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE IS SIMPY SOMEONE SAYING DRUGS ARE BAD. YOU SAID YOUR E. IS CAUSED BY THE DRUGS YOU USED.

IT IS EVIDENT IF YOU LOOK AROUND THAT THERE ARE MANY HURTFUL THINGS BEING SAID ON WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUPPORT COMMUNITY. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS VERY UNLIKE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS BEFORE. STILL THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF VERY CARING, LOVING PEOPLE ON THIS SITE. BLESSINGS AND PEACE, JAN

I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED.

I AM YOUNGER THAN I LOOK, OLDER THAN I THINK, AND WISER THAN I KNOW

SYNDEY,  I DID APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. I AM ASHAMED OF MYSELF FOR HAVING REACTED THE WAY I DID. ALL I CAN DO IS APOLOGIZE AND IF SOMEONE CANNOT ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGY, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT, EXCEPT DELETE WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. THAT SEEMS LIKE THE COWARDS WAY OUT. MY CHOICE WAS TO LEAVE IT THERE SO OTHERS MIGHT SEE HOW MY REACTION UPSET PEOPLE AND LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE, HOPEFULLY SO ALL OF US WILL STOP AND THINK BEFORE WE REPLY TO ANY BLOG OR DISCUSSION. SINCE THESE FORUMS ARE OPEN, ANYONE CAN REPLY. WHEN ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT ANY TOPIC, IS IT NOT USEFUL TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE? IS IT NOT USEFUL TO LEARN THRU WHAT I WROTE IN MY APOLOGY THAT DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION AND NOT VIEWED AS ONE SIMPLY SAYING DRUGS ARE BAD. THE QUESTION THAT STARTED THIS FORUM DISCUSSION IS INDEED A VERY VALID QUESTION. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIECE THAT RELATES DIRECTLY TO THE QUESTION SHOULD NOT WRITE ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED AND LIVED THRU. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. GRANTED, MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS TERRIBLE, BUT IF YOU HAD LIVED THRU THE TRAUMA OF HEARING OVER AND OVER THAT FRIENDS HAD DIED FROM DRUGS, OR MIXING DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, PERHAPS YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY I BELIVE I HAVE VALUABLE INFORMATION TO GIVE.  I MIXED ALCOHOL WITH SOME DIET PILLS MANY MANY YEARS AGO, AND I ALMOST DIED.  IT WAS A VERY STUPID MISTAKE ON MY PART.  I WAS AT A FRIENDS HOUSE ONE DAY, ALSO MANY YEARS AGO. I DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS USING DRUGS. I LEFT HER HOUSE AND MADE THE 5 MINUTE DRIVE BACK TO MY HOME. MY SISTER WAS WAITING ON THE PORCH FOR ME. KAREN WAS DEAD FROM AN OVERDOSE. IN THE FEW MINUTES IT TOOK ME TO GET HOME, KAREN HAD DIED. THAT STILL HAUNTS ME. I REMEMBER THE SHOCK OF HEARING MY FRIEND HAD DIED WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AFTER I LEFT HER KAREN WAS ONE OF MANY WHO MIXED DRUGS AND DIED. I WAS YOUNG THEN, IN MY EARLY TWENTIES, YET IN SOME WAYS IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY.  IS THAT NOT VLAUABLE INFORMATION TO CONSIDER? IF YOU THINK NOT, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. I HOPE THAT YOU DO NOT THINK THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT YOUR AGE NOW, THAT MY SAYING WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE IS SIMPY SOMEONE SAYING DRUGS ARE BAD. YOU SAID YOUR E. IS CAUSED BY THE DRUGS YOU USED.             IT IS EVIDENT IF YOU LOOK AROUND THAT THERE ARE MANY HURTFUL THINGS BEING SAID ON WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUPPORT COMMUNITY. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS VERY UNLIKE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS BEFORE. STILL THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF VERY CARING, LOVING PEOPLE ON THIS SITE. BLESSINGS AND PEACE, JAN    I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED. I AM YOUNGER THAN I LOOK, OLDER THAN I THINK, AND WISER THAN I KNOW  

SYNDEY, I DID APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. I AM ASHAMED OF MYSELF FOR HAVING REACTED THE WAY I DID. ALL I CAN DO IS APOLOGIZE AND IF SOMEONE CANNOT ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGY, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT, EXCEPT DELETE WHAT I HAD WRITTEN. THAT SEEMS LIKE THE COWARDS WAY OUT. MY CHOICE WAS TO LEAVE IT THERE SO OTHERS MIGHT SEE HOW MY REACTION UPSET PEOPLE AND LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE, HOPEFULLY SO ALL OF US WILL STOP AND THINK BEFORE WE REPLY TO ANY BLOG OR DISCUSSION. SINCE THESE FORUMS ARE OPEN, ANYONE CAN REPLY. WHEN ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT ANY TOPIC, IS IT NOT USEFUL TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE? IS IT NOT USEFUL TO LEARN THRU WHAT I WROTE IN MY APOLOGY THAT DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION AND NOT VIEWED AS ONE SIMPLY SAYING DRUGS ARE BAD. THE QUESTION THAT STARTED THIS FORUM DISCUSSION IS INDEED A VERY VALID QUESTION. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIECE THAT RELATES DIRECTLY TO THE QUESTION SHOULD NOT WRITE ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED AND LIVED THRU. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. GRANTED, MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS TERRIBLE, BUT IF YOU HAD LIVED THRU THE TRAUMA OF HEARING OVER AND OVER THAT FRIENDS HAD DIED FROM DRUGS, OR MIXING DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, PERHAPS YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY I BELIVE I HAVE VALUABLE INFORMATION TO GIVE. I MIXED ALCOHOL WITH SOME DIET PILLS MANY MANY YEARS AGO, AND I ALMOST DIED. IT WAS A VERY STUPID MISTAKE ON MY PART. I WAS AT A FRIENDS HOUSE ONE DAY, ALSO MANY YEARS AGO. I DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS USING DRUGS. I LEFT HER HOUSE AND MADE THE 5 MINUTE DRIVE BACK TO MY HOME. MY SISTER WAS WAITING ON THE PORCH FOR ME. KAREN WAS DEAD FROM AN OVERDOSE. IN THE FEW MINUTES IT TOOK ME TO GET HOME, KAREN HAD DIED. THAT STILL HAUNTS ME. I REMEMBER THE SHOCK OF HEARING MY FRIEND HAD DIED WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AFTER I LEFT HER KAREN WAS ONE OF MANY WHO MIXED DRUGS AND DIED. I WAS YOUNG THEN, IN MY EARLY TWENTIES, YET IN SOME WAYS IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY. IS THAT NOT VLAUABLE INFORMATION TO CONSIDER? IF YOU THINK NOT, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. I HOPE THAT YOU DO NOT THINK THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT YOUR AGE NOW, THAT MY SAYING WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE IS SIMPY SOMEONE SAYING DRUGS ARE BAD. YOU SAID YOUR E. IS CAUSED BY THE DRUGS YOU USED.

IT IS EVIDENT IF YOU LOOK AROUND THAT THERE ARE MANY HURTFUL THINGS BEING SAID ON WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUPPORT COMMUNITY. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS VERY UNLIKE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS BEFORE. STILL THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF VERY CARING, LOVING PEOPLE ON THIS SITE. BLESSINGS AND PEACE, JAN

I USE ALL CAPS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED.

I AM YOUNGER THAN I LOOK, OLDER THAN I THINK, AND WISER THAN I KNOW

Re: Smoking marijuana and drinking

Submitted by banffgirl on Sat, 2008-04-12 - 11:17

JAN, THOUGH I AM A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER, BUT NOT BY MUCH, I CAN RELATE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. THE THING IS THE YOUNGER GENERATION DOESNT RELIZE THAT THE 60S AND 70S WAS THE HIEGHT OF THE DRUG EXPOLSION. IT STARTED OUT WITH THE HIPPIE GENERATION AND CONTINUED INTO THE 70S WHEN I BECAME A TEENAGER WHERE KIDS WERE DOING DRUGS ALL THE TIME, EVEN AT SCHOOL. NO ONE EVEN BATTED AN EYE. WE KNOW BUT TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRASTION WAS BLIND TO IT. WE ARE TALKING ANY THING FROM MARIJUANA TO HASH AND LSD OR STRONGER. AND YES WE DID SEE FRIENDS OD.

I FOR ONE TOLD MY OWN KIDS ABOUT IT SO THEY KNEW THEIR SQUARE MOM WAS NT SO SQARE THAT SHE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT ALL OOF THIS AND TO STAY AWAY BECAUSE OF WHAT I HAD SEEN. THEY WERE SHOCKED I EVEN KNEW THE WORD HASH AND ABOUT PIPES. BUT IT KEPT THE LINES OF COMUNICATION OPEN AND WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH DRUGS EXCEPT AFRIEND HERE AND THERE THAT THEY BROUGHT TO ME TO HELP THAT NEEDED TO BE TOLD WHY NOT TO TAKE IT CUZ THEY HAD STARTED USING OR WERE THINKING ABOUT TRYING.

SO WE MAYBE OLD LIKE YOU SAID JAN, BUT YES WE LIVED THRU ALOT BACK THEN. DRUGS FLOWED FREELY, BUT THEY WERENT LACED WITH THE STUFF THEY ARE NOW. BUT REMEMBER WE ARE THE OLD ONES NOW AND WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, LOL.

AS YOU SAID PEACE AND BLESSINGS,

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

JAN, THOUGH I AM A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER, BUT NOT BY MUCH, I CAN RELATE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. THE THING IS THE YOUNGER GENERATION DOESNT RELIZE THAT THE 60S AND 70S WAS THE HIEGHT OF THE DRUG EXPOLSION. IT STARTED OUT WITH THE HIPPIE GENERATION AND CONTINUED INTO THE 70S WHEN I BECAME A TEENAGER WHERE KIDS WERE DOING DRUGS ALL THE TIME, EVEN AT SCHOOL. NO ONE EVEN BATTED AN EYE. WE KNOW BUT TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRASTION WAS BLIND TO IT. WE ARE TALKING ANY THING FROM MARIJUANA TO HASH AND LSD OR STRONGER. AND YES WE DID SEE FRIENDS OD.

I FOR ONE TOLD MY OWN KIDS ABOUT IT SO THEY KNEW THEIR SQUARE MOM WAS NT SO SQARE THAT SHE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT ALL OOF THIS AND TO STAY AWAY BECAUSE OF WHAT I HAD SEEN. THEY WERE SHOCKED I EVEN KNEW THE WORD HASH AND ABOUT PIPES. BUT IT KEPT THE LINES OF COMUNICATION OPEN AND WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH DRUGS EXCEPT AFRIEND HERE AND THERE THAT THEY BROUGHT TO ME TO HELP THAT NEEDED TO BE TOLD WHY NOT TO TAKE IT CUZ THEY HAD STARTED USING OR WERE THINKING ABOUT TRYING.

SO WE MAYBE OLD LIKE YOU SAID JAN, BUT YES WE LIVED THRU ALOT BACK THEN. DRUGS FLOWED FREELY, BUT THEY WERENT LACED WITH THE STUFF THEY ARE NOW. BUT REMEMBER WE ARE THE OLD ONES NOW AND WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, LOL.

AS YOU SAID PEACE AND BLESSINGS,

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

Re: Smoking marijuana and drinking

Submitted by cjgalves on Sat, 2008-06-07 - 11:45

Sigh. Ok...I'm a mom who loves my daughter with all her heart. Reading thru these posts, I will first admit I am very very angry and want to say a lot of angry things. But your question is very valid and asked in complete sincerity.

My daughter had her first seizure when she was 18, under a lot of stress, and I would say probably moderately involved in drugs and alcohol. (how much does one really share with one's mother eh?). After several trips to the ER over the next few years, one of the first questions out of all the dr's mouths were..what did you take? what did you drink? (knowing that she was an epileptic). From what I've read so far (and agreed, I got a lot of reading still to do, I'm no expert by any means), there is no known cause for epilepsy. Since as far as we know there was no family history of it. Yeah. I'm leaning towards the drugs (she swore she only smoked pot). Maybe the medical field can't PROVE that alcohol and drugs can bring on a seizure, but when so many doctors suspect it...why in god's green earth would you continue to use them?

Now she would argue with me blue in the face that it didn't cause her epilepsy. And she may be correct. But without fail, anytime she slipped, she had a seizure the next day. I guess my point is..do you really NEED pot in your life? or alcohol? Besides the legal issue...both just make you act really really stupid. And don't you have enough problems? I don't know about you, but my daughter is having real problems finding a job..no job...no money..no money..no meds..no doctors..no meds/drs..no car..no car..try finding a job LOL. And those are just the tip of the iceberg. Now I'm gonna read up on the nicotine stuff..cause she does smoke, and I'm not sure how we're gonna get off THAT one. but boy that would help the money situation too. But yeah, help with stress? and I guess for many a beer or joint would do the same. I'm just saying..if you can avoid it, you should.

Oh and don't even THINK about saying to me.."she must have gotten some bad weed". Yeah. You grow your own? ohhh...thats right...you trust your DRUG DEALER!!! He grows his own and besides, he'd never screw you, right? Pullleeesse.

Now I bow with respect to those that smoke marijuanna for supposedly medical reasons..personally it would be the LAST avenue I would consider taking. It just opens up a whole new can of worms, in my humble opinion. But if you feel its ABSOLUTELY the only thing that helps...I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it..but I respect it.

Yeah, socially tis hard. The bright news is...you'll always have friends, if for no other reason then they know you'll be sober enough to drive them home LOL. And yeah, I know it's hard cause you'll lose some too (funny the potheads were the first to go), the drinkers stick around better *shrug*. But you'll never have a dui, you'll have more money in your wallet..I could go on and on.

Yeah..I'm deadset against drugs and alcohol for everyone at this point of my life. I just have never read, seen, where it made ANYone's life better..and has devastated so many. The one thing I DON'T get..is why society still glamorizes it?? And I truly sympathize with all people, young and old, who have to deal with the pressure from their peers about it. Its easy to say just stand up with courage and speak out against it...but it gets lonely out there by ourselves.

I'll get off my soapbox now, and go back to researching LOL. I did write this hoping that, even though I'm old and a mother of an epileptic, if even one kid reads it and say "yeah, that makes sense", it'll be enough. I'm with my daughter every step of the way...we'll figure this out...but my words to her are..don't add more to your plate than you need to, you have enough. And I consider the pot/drinking one of those things just so easy to leave off your plate.

Now the other one I gotta tackle with her is the computer LOL she looooves the computer and since alot of her seizures happen there..I gotta figure that one out too LOL.

Sigh.  Ok...I'm a mom who loves my daughter with all her heart.  Reading thru these posts, I will first admit I am very very angry and want to say a lot of angry things.  But your question is very valid and asked in complete sincerity.  My daughter had her first seizure when she was 18, under a lot of stress, and I would say probably moderately involved in drugs and alcohol. (how much does one really share with one's mother eh?).  After several trips to the ER over the next few years, one of the first questions out of all the dr's mouths were..what did you take? what did you drink? (knowing that she was an epileptic).  From what I've read so far (and agreed, I got a lot of reading still to do, I'm no expert by any means), there is no known cause for epilepsy.  Since as far as we know there was no family history of it.  Yeah.  I'm leaning towards the drugs (she swore she only smoked pot).  Maybe the medical field can't PROVE that alcohol and drugs can bring on a seizure, but when so many doctors suspect it...why in god's green earth would you continue to use them? Now she would argue with me blue in the face that it didn't cause her epilepsy.  And she may be correct.  But without fail, anytime she slipped, she had a seizure the next day.  I guess my point is..do you really NEED pot in your life? or alcohol? Besides the legal issue...both just make you act really really stupid.  And don't you have enough problems?  I don't know about you, but my daughter is having real problems finding a job..no job...no money..no money..no meds..no doctors..no meds/drs..no car..no car..try finding a job LOL.  And those are just the tip of the iceberg.  Now I'm gonna read up on the nicotine stuff..cause she does smoke, and I'm not sure how we're gonna get off THAT one. but boy that would help the money situation too. But yeah, help with stress? and I guess for many a beer or joint would do the same.  I'm just saying..if you can avoid it, you should. Oh and don't even THINK about saying to me.."she must have gotten some bad weed".  Yeah.  You grow your own? ohhh...thats right...you trust your DRUG DEALER!!! He grows his own and besides, he'd never screw you, right? Pullleeesse. Now I bow with respect to those that smoke marijuanna for supposedly medical reasons..personally it would be the LAST avenue I would consider taking.  It just opens up a whole new can of worms, in my humble opinion.  But if you feel its ABSOLUTELY the only thing that helps...I respect your opinion.  I don't agree with it..but I respect it. Yeah, socially tis hard.  The bright news is...you'll always have friends, if for no other reason then they know you'll be sober enough to drive them home LOL.  And yeah, I know it's hard cause you'll lose some too (funny the potheads were the first to go), the drinkers stick around better *shrug*.  But you'll never have a dui, you'll have more money in your wallet..I could go on and on.  Yeah..I'm deadset against drugs and alcohol for everyone at this point of my life.  I just have never read, seen, where it made ANYone's life better..and has devastated so many.  The one thing I DON'T get..is why society still glamorizes it??  And I truly sympathize with all people, young and old, who have to deal with the pressure from their peers about it.  Its easy to say just stand up with courage and speak out against it...but it gets lonely out there by ourselves. I'll get off my soapbox now, and go back to researching LOL.  I did write this hoping that, even though I'm old and a mother of an epileptic, if even one kid reads it and say "yeah, that makes sense", it'll be enough.  I'm with my daughter every step of the way...we'll figure this out...but my words to her are..don't add more to your plate than you need to, you have enough.  And I consider the pot/drinking one of those things just so easy to leave off your plate. Now the other one I gotta tackle with her is the computer LOL she looooves the computer and since alot of her seizures happen there..I gotta figure that one out too LOL.    