I am looking for any help with this topic. I have been unable to work for like 3 years but I dont know if I qualifiy and if someone that is on disabily could help I would be so greatfull.
By azdmar... at Mon, 11/02/2009 - 7:07am | 123 views | 12 comments
Having been through exactly what you face, I must say that the only two ways you can even approach the Social Security people with your application/request is to use a dependable lawyer AND a neurologist who has handled you for many years. You definitely will not be able to just go to a Social Security office, fill out a form and expect checks to arrive. It is a shame, I know, but far too many unqualified Americans (some not even citizens) are doing this. But best of luck to you. I know this isn't an easy part of your life.
it is true it is hard and frustrating but if you have proof and more importantly if you have your doctors behind you you will have support ... get your doctors to send the fact that you are able to work and you need help every bit helps.....Good luck dont give up
`Christina Vargas
The Social Security Administration (SSA) administers Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI). Both SSDI and SSI require a disability severe enough that the disabillity prevents gainful activities (activities like working or holding a job that pays money). SSI requires that a person firstly applies for, and doesn't qualify for, SSDI, but SSDI requires a sufficient amount of timely work history of the person themselves or of persons they are dependent on, meeting SSA guidelines. Applying for SSDI involves some risk, because if a person isn't well prepared to make a good case and doesn't win based on the first application, a second application later will be based on an abridged work history because of the first application. A person can apply for SSI often, but even success with the first try at SSI damages a person's rights to SSDI.
Both SSDI and SSI determines sufficient levels of disabilities by using a "five step procedure that embodies a set of presumptions about disabilities, job availability, and their interrelation. The SSA asks:
Step One: Are you presently working? (If so, you are ineligible.) See 20 CFR §404.1520(b)(1998).
Step Two: Do you have a 'severe impairment,' i.e., one that 'significantly limits' your ability to do basic work activities? (If not, you are ineligible.) See §404.1520(c).
Step Three: Does your impairment 'meet or equal' an impairment on a specific (and fairly lengthy) SSA list? (If so, you are eligible without more.) See §§404.1520(d), 404.1525, 404.1526.
Step Four: If your impairment does not meet or equal a listed impairment, can you perform your 'past relevant work?' (If so, you are ineligible.) See §404.1520(e).
Step Five: If your impairment does not meet or equal a listed impairment and you cannot perform your 'past relevant work,' then can you perform other jobs that exist in significant numbers in the national economy? (If not, you are eligible.) See §§404.1520(f), 404.1560(c)."
While epilepsy is often severe, and is on the list in Step Three above, the epilepsy has to be severe and the seizures have to be severe and frequent (the seizures not being frequent enough is a common disqualification for an SSA determination of disability).
The side-effects of epilepsy, and the treatments for epilepsy with seizures, often stop "past relevant work," and the painful headaches, poor vision, frequent sore and weak muscles, disrupted sleep patterns, poor balance, inability to think straight, etc. suffered as side-effects of epilepsy, seizures, and treatments are often more disabling than just the epilepsy itself, and these side-effects frequently satisfies Step Five above.
Hello,
You will find that getting disability approved will be a lengthy, frustrating process. I got approved only after contacting my state and national Representatives many many times. My epileptologist refused to help with saying "disability is something that lawyers and judges decide" not him.
The only advice I can give is be your own advocate, don't be afraid to contact anyone, and don't take no for an answer.
David (petty2) after reading what you wrote about your doctor refusing to help saying "disability is something that lawyers and judges decide" not him. I would of found of NEW doctor immediately.
To the ones looking into disability. Let your doctors know before you apply that you are going to. On the forms you fill out put every detail of information about your seizures and how you feel during the day. Make sure you put how often you are having them. I had brain surgery because of the epilepsy and had to go on disability after. The seizures did not stop and had memory loss from the surgery. I was employed when I had the surgery but after lost my job. I had not had steady work or pay since the seizures started when I was 21 I am 35 now. As long as your doctor helps you and you have all your information you should get disability approved. If not appeal over and over again! I applied for disability in November and it was approved and started it in July of the next yr. Dont ever stop fighting for yourself! I have learned that the hard way but now with what I have taught myself I go in well informed everywhere I go. Good luck to you.
How bad your seizures are, and if you got good doctors that can verify your claim ,with test results helping to back up your claim you shouldn't have a problem. They will have no reason to deny your claim if you have the help of good doctors
Like Tasha Cole says, all you are going to need is proof that you are indeed having disabling seizures and take that information to the SS office to make a claim for disability compensation. You should not have any trouble at all. I'm going to advise you ahead of time: Be Persistent
The best of luck to you and you should not have any trouble .
Using the frequency of seizures as the main criterion, with many other criteria, has much more strict frequency requirements than one seizure every three months. It is seizures at least more frequently than once a month:
on page 8 of 12 pages, column 2, Example 1, at Fed internet site:
Many other "non-Appendix 1" severe criteria with epilepsy must be present to over-ride this strict frequency requirement as a main criterion in the Appendix 1 listing of distinct disabling impairments.
Hi. It took me awhile and 4 tries later before I was approved for disability. My neuro stated in a letter that I was limited as to what I could do because of seizures. They did affect my working. It is a disability, unfortunetly. It is a time consuming process with the SSA. You pretty much will be denied several times before being approved, if you are. It helps if your neuro can assist you in proving that you have epilepsy and seizures. My last denial, I had an appeal. I went in front of a judge, who asked me several questions about my condition, etc. It was then that I was approved. But it did take a long while to get that far.
Hi . You say you have not been working for 3 years.
Has it been because of seizures?
Are you being treated? On medications? frequency of seizures?types of seizures?
what they are doing to you afterwards? how long it takes to be "normal" again?
These meds in themselves can qualify a person as "disabled" from memory loss ,sleep, etc.etc.
There is a lot of posting on this site about this ,I think I remember? lol talking about this last year as I was applying or being approved?
Those links are legit and the right ones to use I know for sure.
I am not sure how much input I have except to say my own story and that reading some of this stuff helps me to understand that I guess I really was "sick" ?
I have been on ssdi for about one year
and was approved in less than 90days. .I say that and almost always get a "gasp" or something.
guess at that time I was having 3-5 gmal szs a month plus auras and probably partials also.
I had taken around 10 diff. meds and had serious side effects from all of them.
I still do not know exactly what my doctor(s) said in their report only that it was short ?
That leaves me to wonder ?it must have bad ,real bad, I suppose
I actually called the judge after I was approved and thanked her (lol) it was the first call like that she had ever received .
At that time my memory was a blank slate often resembling true amnesia ? I was living in some sort of time warp mentally, but physicaly I was telling folks it was taking 8 full days to recover from one gmal sz. so one a week was enough I guess to "never" recover lol.
I can say also for anyone that stress was the single largest thing that led up to a major change in how my body/mind dealt with a sz. disorder.
"The Social Security Administration's disability program handles seizure disorder, orepilepsy, in a way very similar to how it evaluates the respiratory impairment, asthma.
To be approved for benefits based on this neurological condition, the following two requirements must be met:
1. a claimant must havea specified number of attacks, or episodes, occurring within a specified period of time.
2. the episodes must occur even with---or, rather, despite---a claimant'sfull compliance with prescribed medications.
In other words, it is not enough that a disability claimant can demonstrate proof of a seizure disorder, or epilepsy, diagnosis. A claimant's records must also indicate that anti-seizure medication has been prescribed, is being taken as directed, and that attacks continue to occur nonetheless.
How frequent must these attacks be, according to social security regulations?
It depends on the type ofepilepsy, or seizure disorder, that a disability claimant has.
If a claimant's particular form of seizure disorder is classified asconvulsive epilepsy(grand mal seizures), such seizures must occur more frequently than once per month, in spite of at least 3 months of prescribed treatment.
Convulsive seizures, if they occur during the day, must also involve loss of consciousness (and, of course, convulsions).
If they occur at night, they must have the effect of interfering with the individual's activities on the following day.
If a claimant's seizure disorder is classified asnonconvulsive epilepsy(petit mal seizures, or focal seizures), such seizures must occur more frequently than once per week, in spite of at least 3 months of prescribed treatment.
Additionally, nonconvulsive seizures must involve either loss of consciousness, alteration of awareness (i.e., confusion or disorientation), or have the effect of interfering with the individual's activitiesduring the day.
The following article points out tips that disability claimants with seizure disorder or epilepsy should keep in mind..."
Recent Comments on this Discussion
Having been through exactly what you face, I must say that the only two ways you can even approach the Social Security people with your application/request is to use a dependable lawyer AND a neurologist who has handled you for many years. You definitely will not be able to just go to a Social Security office, fill out a form and expect checks to arrive. It is a shame, I know, but far too many unqualified Americans (some not even citizens) are doing this. But best of luck to you. I know this isn't an easy part of your life.
it is true it is hard and frustrating but if you have proof and more importantly if you have your doctors behind you you will have support ... get your doctors to send the fact that you are able to work and you need help every bit helps.....Good luck dont give up
`Christina Vargas
Hi azdmartinez,
The Social Security Administration (SSA) administers Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI). Both SSDI and SSI require a disability severe enough that the disabillity prevents gainful activities (activities like working or holding a job that pays money). SSI requires that a person firstly applies for, and doesn't qualify for, SSDI, but SSDI requires a sufficient amount of timely work history of the person themselves or of persons they are dependent on, meeting SSA guidelines. Applying for SSDI involves some risk, because if a person isn't well prepared to make a good case and doesn't win based on the first application, a second application later will be based on an abridged work history because of the first application. A person can apply for SSI often, but even success with the first try at SSI damages a person's rights to SSDI.
Both SSDI and SSI determines sufficient levels of disabilities by using a "five step procedure that embodies a set of presumptions about disabilities, job availability, and their interrelation. The SSA asks:
Step One: Are you presently working? (If so, you are ineligible.) See 20 CFR §404.1520(b)(1998).
Step Two: Do you have a 'severe impairment,' i.e., one that 'significantly limits' your ability to do basic work activities? (If not, you are ineligible.) See §404.1520(c).
Step Three: Does your impairment 'meet or equal' an impairment on a specific (and fairly lengthy) SSA list? (If so, you are eligible without more.) See §§404.1520(d), 404.1525, 404.1526.
Step Four: If your impairment does not meet or equal a listed impairment, can you perform your 'past relevant work?' (If so, you are ineligible.) See §404.1520(e).
Step Five: If your impairment does not meet or equal a listed impairment and you cannot perform your 'past relevant work,' then can you perform other jobs that exist in significant numbers in the national economy? (If not, you are eligible.) See §§404.1520(f), 404.1560(c)."
from CLEVELAND v. POLICY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS CORP. et al., included at http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vo...
(A frequent Catch-22 between ADA and SSDI).
While epilepsy is often severe, and is on the list in Step Three above, the epilepsy has to be severe and the seizures have to be severe and frequent (the seizures not being frequent enough is a common disqualification for an SSA determination of disability).
The side-effects of epilepsy, and the treatments for epilepsy with seizures, often stop "past relevant work," and the painful headaches, poor vision, frequent sore and weak muscles, disrupted sleep patterns, poor balance, inability to think straight, etc. suffered as side-effects of epilepsy, seizures, and treatments are often more disabling than just the epilepsy itself, and these side-effects frequently satisfies Step Five above.
A discussion on the forum here might still be relevant if the feds didn't move the new CFR: http://www.my.epilepsy.com/discussion/985096
I'm not a lawyer nor a medical professional. I'm just an epileptic in the middle of a plethora of Catch-22's.
Tadzio
Hello,
You will find that getting disability approved will be a lengthy, frustrating process. I got approved only after contacting my state and national Representatives many many times. My epileptologist refused to help with saying "disability is something that lawyers and judges decide" not him.
The only advice I can give is be your own advocate, don't be afraid to contact anyone, and don't take no for an answer.
Good luck,
David
David (petty2) after reading what you wrote about your doctor refusing to help saying "disability is something that lawyers and judges decide" not him. I would of found of NEW doctor immediately.
To the ones looking into disability. Let your doctors know before you apply that you are going to. On the forms you fill out put every detail of information about your seizures and how you feel during the day. Make sure you put how often you are having them. I had brain surgery because of the epilepsy and had to go on disability after. The seizures did not stop and had memory loss from the surgery. I was employed when I had the surgery but after lost my job. I had not had steady work or pay since the seizures started when I was 21 I am 35 now. As long as your doctor helps you and you have all your information you should get disability approved. If not appeal over and over again! I applied for disability in November and it was approved and started it in July of the next yr. Dont ever stop fighting for yourself! I have learned that the hard way but now with what I have taught myself I go in well informed everywhere I go. Good luck to you.
How bad your seizures are, and if you got good doctors that can verify your claim ,with test results helping to back up your claim you shouldn't have a problem. They will have no reason to deny your claim if you have the help of good doctors
Like Tasha Cole says, all you are going to need is proof that you are indeed having disabling seizures and take that information to the SS office to make a claim for disability compensation. You should not have any trouble at all. I'm going to advise you ahead of time: Be Persistent
The best of luck to you and you should not have any trouble .
LOOK AT THE SOCIAL SECURITY'S WEB SITE SSA.GOV. YOU'LL FIND TO QUALIFY AS DISABLED YOU ONLY HAVE
TO HAVE 1 SEIZURE EVERY THREE MONTHS WHICH INTERFERE WITH YOUR ABILITY TO WORK!! BOTH YOU AND
NEUROLOGIST WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE NECESSARY INFORMATION.
Hi kinika,
Using the frequency of seizures as the main criterion, with many other criteria, has much more strict frequency requirements than one seizure every three months. It is seizures at least more frequently than once a month:
on page 8 of 12 pages, column 2, Example 1, at Fed internet site:
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2009/aprqtr/pdf/20cfr404.1...
Many other "non-Appendix 1" severe criteria with epilepsy must be present to over-ride this strict frequency requirement as a main criterion in the Appendix 1 listing of distinct disabling impairments.
Tadzio
Hi. It took me awhile and 4 tries later before I was approved for disability. My neuro stated in a letter that I was limited as to what I could do because of seizures. They did affect my working. It is a disability, unfortunetly. It is a time consuming process with the SSA. You pretty much will be denied several times before being approved, if you are. It helps if your neuro can assist you in proving that you have epilepsy and seizures. My last denial, I had an appeal. I went in front of a judge, who asked me several questions about my condition, etc. It was then that I was approved. But it did take a long while to get that far.
peace R.C.
Hi . You say you have not been working for 3 years.
Has it been because of seizures?
Are you being treated? On medications? frequency of seizures?types of seizures?
what they are doing to you afterwards? how long it takes to be "normal" again?
These meds in themselves can qualify a person as "disabled" from memory loss ,sleep, etc.etc.
There is a lot of posting on this site about this ,I think I remember? lol talking about this last year as I was applying or being approved?
Those links are legit and the right ones to use I know for sure.
I am not sure how much input I have except to say my own story and that reading some of this stuff helps me to understand that I guess I really was "sick" ?
I have been on ssdi for about one year
and was approved in less than 90days. .I say that and almost always get a "gasp" or something.
guess at that time I was having 3-5 gmal szs a month plus auras and probably partials also.
I had taken around 10 diff. meds and had serious side effects from all of them.
I still do not know exactly what my doctor(s) said in their report only that it was short ?
That leaves me to wonder ?it must have bad ,real bad, I suppose
I actually called the judge after I was approved and thanked her (lol) it was the first call like that she had ever received .
At that time my memory was a blank slate often resembling true amnesia ? I was living in some sort of time warp mentally, but physicaly I was telling folks it was taking 8 full days to recover from one gmal sz. so one a week was enough I guess to "never" recover lol.
I can say also for anyone that stress was the single largest thing that led up to a major change in how my body/mind dealt with a sz. disorder.
Seek help from the right places , Rick
I found this site that I think you mght find helpful:
http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/social-security-disability-seizure-disorder.html
"The Social Security Administration's disability program handles seizure disorder, or epilepsy, in a way very similar to how it evaluates the respiratory impairment, asthma.
To be approved for benefits based on this neurological condition, the following two requirements must be met:
1. a claimant must have a specified number of attacks, or episodes, occurring within a specified period of time.
2. the episodes must occur even with---or, rather, despite---a claimant's full compliance with prescribed medications.
In other words, it is not enough that a disability claimant can demonstrate proof of a seizure disorder, or epilepsy, diagnosis. A claimant's records must also indicate that anti-seizure medication has been prescribed, is being taken as directed, and that attacks continue to occur nonetheless.
How frequent must these attacks be, according to social security regulations?
It depends on the type of epilepsy, or seizure disorder, that a disability claimant has.
If a claimant's particular form of seizure disorder is classified as convulsive epilepsy (grand mal seizures), such seizures must occur more frequently than once per month, in spite of at least 3 months of prescribed treatment.
If a claimant's seizure disorder is classified as nonconvulsive epilepsy (petit mal seizures, or focal seizures), such seizures must occur more frequently than once per week, in spite of at least 3 months of prescribed treatment.
The following article points out tips that disability claimants with seizure disorder or epilepsy should keep in mind..."
http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/applying-for-disability-with-seizure-disorder.html
Phylis Feiner Johnson www.epilepsytalk.com