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helenpe1
helenpe1

vns therapy side effects

I joined this site yesterday and I'm interesting in touching base with anyone who has a vns. In particular I would like to find out if anyone has experienced any unusual side effects not mentioned by Cyberonics. I occasionally experience 'tingling' in my neck and shoulder - this is actually quite unpleasant and it has been severe enough to warrant having my vns temporarily turned off. At one point last summer it felt like I was being repeatedly stung by a bee or something like that (I'm not sure exactly how to describe it). Cyberonics claims that no one has ever mentioned anything similar to this. I have been quite happy with my vns - it has helped stop many seizures once they have started, which has meant fewer trips to the ER but if this problem became really severe again I wouldn't be able to keep my vns turned on. Please let me know if you have experienced anything like this - I would like to know - Cyberonics makes it sound like I'm crazy or something. Thanks!!!

By helenpe1 at Wed, 02/15/2006 - 7:10am | 4774 views | 83 comments

Recent Comments on this Discussion

Hello. Sorry to hear that you are experiencing tingling that's uncomfortable with your vns. I agree with the other person, you should see your neurologist. Cyberonics should not be making you sound crazy, cause you are not! The doctor should be able to adjust some of the 5 settings to decrease side effects. If they are not sure what to do, they can call clinical technical or the rep for guidance. It seems like it has been a while since you got your vns that you should be feeling less discomfort over time?

want2help

Sometimes there are no other adjustments that can be made. My unit was causing extreme pain and numbness to shoot down my arm into my hand every single time it fired. It had been evaluated and there was no malfunction, no lead impedence, just the way my body reacted. I opted to turn the damn thing off, and off it has stayed.

My neuro and I planned for rebound seizure activity and added lamictil as a precaution. I felt so much better when it was turned off! The arm pain and numbness subsided, however I am left with facial nerve damage, occational swallowing issues, severe obstructive sleep apnea and a few other wonderful souveniers for the effort.

For some people, just turning the unit off for a few months and allowing the body to adjust, then trying again, can make all the difference!

www.vnsmessageboard.com

"If you are going through hell, keep going."
(Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)

birdbomb

has anyone ever heard of becoming magnetized, or the machine magnetized?

 

spaz1974

I don't even know where to start. I could reply to every person here if I had the time.

I, too, am that 1% (or whatever) that gets tossed in the dumpster for the greater good of the other 99%. My Neuro abandoned me after every effort to 'fix' my VNS problems and will no longer see me or return my calls. IMHO, it's a combination of "Very Sorry, we can't do anything else for you," and "Please just go off and die somewhere so this doesn't get publicity."

I got implanted (and botched) in March of 2006, and I am very sorry that I cannot speak to seizures like most of you because I got the implant for Depression. In nearly 40 years I never had a seizure in my life until AFTER I got the implant. Neuro(s) can't find any other explanation for my sudden introduction into the world of seizures.

I have most of the negative side affects mentioned throughout this thread, and more. I know I'm the oddball that probably isn't representative of the major population of implants, but does that make it OK to just use me as an experiment and then toss me in a ditch like a wounded animal?

In addition to all the above, now I have facial twitches, lost mobility in my head, neck, and mostly in my facial expressions. Over the past 5 months I have slowly lost more and more feeling in my left side, specifically the left side of my neck is numb down into the muscles, yet the skin is incredibly sensitive and I rarely shave due to the pain it causes. The loss of feeling started as a minor numbness in my neck over the lead implant area (scar) and now encompasses my entire left side of the neck, from my chin/jawbone to my collar bone. I occasionally have numbness and loss of feeling in my left arm, a new development. It's great to wonder if you're having a heart attack or if your miracle implant is killing you. My blood pressure (again in 40 years) has never been high or low, but mysteriously skyrocketed after about 9 months with the implant.

Most of my problems are (supposedly) due to a botched implant procedure. If I turn my head too far to the right, the wire/lead practically comes right out of my skin. It has no 'slack' as it's supposed to have for normal motion. Removing/Relocating the implant itself (what I think others here are calling the generator?) would do little for me since most of the (yes sometimes unbearable) pain is near the area where they can't remove the coils. Turning the implant off for any amount of time (although I have not tried for more than a few days at a time for fear of what nightmares lurk ahead for someone who just turns the thing off cold turkey after a year+ of shocks to the brain...) has no effect at all.

I trusted that my Neuro knew what she was doing so I can't tell you all of the changes they made to every possible setting in the generator, I only know that they changed everything they knew how to with no help.

I'm no idiot and I did my homework before I got the implant, trusting both the surgeon and my Neuro to tell me the truth about the risks. Not half of the risks were ever disclosed to me. I wish I had known to go to the FDA at that time. I probably would have never gone through with it.

I know I left out a lot of details here but this long reply is only a glancing summary of my problems with the implant. I will be glad to answer any questions anyone has, but please understand that I am very busy in spite of this mess and every possible moment I have is spent with my kids so I'm not on the computer very often. I posted this because I wanted to say my piece about the implant and warn others of what CAN happen even if it's rare.

God Bless everyone who has had success with the implant. You got lucky.

The Captain

TheCap...

Hi Captain, good morning. I personally have not had the implant, but my younger sister did. Hers was put in to control her seizures, but instead of doing that it caused them to become so severe she landed in intensive care and then a psychiatric hospital with a psychosis she developed after the implant. My poor parents were so heartbroken, along with her daughter and the rest of us because we had no idea at first that the device was causing all her problems. Then after I did some very extensive research on this device and discovered psychosis and worsening seizures are both possible [or is it more acurate to say PROBABLE] side effects of this thing we demanded its' immediate removal, and low and behold, she is back home, on different medication and seizure free. This device almost caused my sisters' death. It most certainly has rendered her permanetly disabled. So instead of raising her little girl on what a registered nurse would make, she will be raising her on Social Security Disabillity. That's pretty darn sad. You can bet your bottom dollar that I am going after this company with a determination and grit I never even knew I had. I am reading every single transcript call and researching every single adverse event and death that has been reported and placed on the Maude data base and when I get all my information together I am contacting the Senate Finance Committee and demanding that this device be removed from the market. Not only that, but I am working on getting Reigel vs. Medtronics to be reversed so we can sue the living crap out of these people. Cyberonics might think that I am only one little person, and what the heck could I possibly do to hurt them, but they do not know me too well. I will do whatever it takes to get the government to take another look at this device and reaccess its' approval. This was wrong, and sooner or later they will see that.

nancyjudy

Hi Nancy, good Morning. After reading your post and others on here, I am so grateful to know that I am not alone in dealing with horrible side effects of the VNS implant. I am so sorry that your sister, and your family had to go through what they did. I do hope you are able to get Cyberonics for their neglect. My neurologist turned up the settings on my implant 2 years ago, and I have had increased pain and numbness in my head,neck, back, chest, and arms due to it. I have also had increased depression, and moments of psychosis. I literally am beginning to feel like im going crazy. I have moved out of the state where my implant was turned up, and just recently saw a new neurologist in the state I moved to.I told my doctor about the pain, and increased depression since the implant settings were increased. He told me he had to get an EEG before he could schedule someone to check the settings on the implant. I also asked him if the Vagal nerve stimulator could increase depression, and seizures; he told me no. I have had seizures for 20 years now, and have had the implant for nearly 10 years. I have have less seizure activity since having the implant, and am better able to determine when I will have a seizure. Having said that, I have also had increased depression, thoughts of suicide, and agitation. I am convinced this is due to the VNS since I am not on any seizure medicines. Anyone who has epilepsy knows that seizure meds can increase depression. I have been on just about every seizure medicine out there, and none of them have controlled my seizures. I would rather die from a seizure, that be permanently disabled by a device that is supposed to be helping me. I went into epileptic status for a week, while taking 3 different seizure medicines. which is why my neurologist decided to implant the VNS. I think it's sad I have to decide between pain and psychosis from the VNS, or going into status epilepticus, and possible death. My biggest fear is losing my mind. I have decided to turn off the implant and have it removed. Thanks to all who have posted their experiences. I am grateful for your courage, and honesty. God bless.

sweetums

Nancy B    Good morning, sweetums. I must say, I am quite surprised that your doctor told you that the vns could not have caused your psychosis or depression. It almost makes me wonder exactly how much he really knows about this device he is perscibing to people. Any doctor perscibing any kind of treatment should be fully aware of any possible side effects that treatment could cause, so that doctor can cease that treatment and try something else. If you google 'Maude Data Base', and pull that sight up, a page will come up that has a little line in the very upper right hand corner that says 'search______________'. Into that line, type 'psychosis caused by Cyberonics vns device' and several reports come up. [This is just a reminder for anyone who wants to see Maude reports, after you type into the search bar, hit search, then when the initial reports come up, see if at the bottom of the page it says 'repeat search with ommitted items included, if it does, then hit on that to view ALL of the submitted reports] One report id id=1667284 Event Date 01/01/2004  Event Type-Injury Patient Out-come-Required Intervention  Event Desciption: It was reported that the pt experienced psychosis in 2004 which was believed to be directly related to stimulation. The physician indicated that the pt's seizures were well-controlled by vns, however, the pt had psychotic episodes involving the desire to kill his parents. The physician indicated that the device was programmed off and THE PSYCHOSIS SUBSIDED. At a later date, the physician wanted to program the pt's vns device back on, however, the mother was adament that it might not be turned on due to the harm the pt may try to cause her. Report Source: Manufacturer [CYBERONICS] Reporter Occupation: Physician     You can also go to  http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/pdf/P970003S050b.pdf   which is Cyberonics Summary of Safety Data and Effectiveness. On page 6 [which is located at the bottom right, along with a hand written '13']  it is discussing clinical study D-01 which had 60 patients with vns in treatment resistant depression and says that in 38 subjects 77 events were rated as serious [10 in acute phase and 67 in long-term follow-up] including 34 reports of worsening depression and 12 suicide attempts or overdose.   In my sisters' case, her seizures became life-threatening, she became depressed and was never diagnosed with depression before, and now is permanetly disabled, all because she chose to get this device. I know there are people who sware up and down this device works, and maybe for some it does, but it is time that doctors and anyone else dealing with this device admit that it can also disable or kill you and recognize when this device is becomming the problem and REMOVE it before it is too late.

nancyjudy

Hi nancy, My name is Thea and I am a RN and a mother of a 13 year old boy with cerebral palsy. I had the VNS placed in 2007 due to his seizures. Didn't really run into problems until the summer of 2008 after he had been in the hospital for spinal rod placement. He stresses easily and he had increased seizure activity so they "ramped" up his VNS. Within a month he started developing coughing, heart rate and breathing issues. To make a long story short, it almost killed him....I taped the magnet over the generator and his symptoms improved. Now, a year later he is left with a terrible cough and use of oxygen intermittently, especially at night. I had the VNS shut off permanently last December and the whole thing is being removed (wires and all) this Friday. I did fill out a MAUDE report. If there is anything I can do on my end to help go after these people, you let me know. Thanks for your effort and may God give you the strength to endure. Thea-mother of Michael:)

theath...

Nancy B    Dear Thea,  You know, your letter sure struck a nerve. Almost like God saw I needed encouragement and sent you to me. I do believe in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart, which is where I am getting my strength from. My mom sometimes worries that I might be draining myself, or setting myself up for a big let-down. She's concerned that when you are dealing with the government and big industries that noone is going to pay attention to anything you have to say, it's all about money. Maybe for them it's all about money, but for me, it's all about what's right. In one weeks time the death toll on the Maude Data Base linked directly to the vns device went from 1,670 to 1,850. How many people have to die before something gets done? Thea, that could have been your son, Michael, among those deaths. It could have been my sister, Judy. How many innocent victims have to be slaughtered at the hands of this device before someone takes another look? One person dying is too many, but how many more before something gets done? Don't our lives matter to anyone who can do something about this? When the FDA approved this device they gave Cyberonics several "Conditions of Approval. That was back in 2005 when it was approved for depression. Among those conditions were a 450-patient post marketing dosing study and a 1,000 patient 5-year outcome registry. I found a Cyberonics, Inc F3Q09[Qrt End 01/23/09] Earnings Call Transcript in which Anthony Petrone, Daniel J. Moore, and Gregory H. Browne of Cyberonics are discussing whether or not they heard back from the FDA about changing the original conditions of approval. They want to modify, no, lets' be real here, they want to lesson the amount of people they were told they had to test. This would in turn save the company alot of money. First of all, I had no idea that when the FDA gives a company conditions to insure their device will be safe for public use that those conditions would even be open for discussion. This device is killing people. People are actually dying because they had this device implanted. Are their deaths in vein? This makes me question every single thing that has an "FDA APPROVED" sticker on it. Do we need to run every single item of food we put on our tables and every bottle of medicine through the Maude Data Base first before we eat it or take it? Is there even really an FDA or a CDRH, because if there is, they are not doing what the people of America are paying them to do. We are paying their salaries with our tax dollars, and have trusted them with not only our lives, but the lives of our precious children, and they have let us down. I have contacted so many people, sent e-mails to Senators, Congressmen, newspapers, you name it. It seems to me the only people who are really listening are the ones who are getting hurt by this device. But Thea, one thing about me. When I truly believe in something, I DO NOT LET UP!!! I will not stop calling, writing, or e-mailing before someone takes notice and decides enough is enough. There is a new FDA Commissioner, Margaret A. Hamburg, MD. Her address is U.S. Food and Drug Administration, 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Bldg. 1, Rm 2217, Silver Spring, MD 20993-0002, phone # is 1-888-463-6332. She is replacing Daniel Schultz who resigned in August 2009 over whistle blowers who exposed corruption in the agency that he and other FDA managers allegedly coerced and intimidated staff into modifying device evaluations. He happens to be the one who over-ruled the FDA's original refusal to approve this device. I think every single thing that was approved by this idiot should be re-evaluated. This man should face some serious jail time for all the deaths he is, as far as I'm concerned, responsible for. Or better yet, why don't they just implant him with one of these devices.

nancyjudy

Hello Everyone

My Beautiful daughter Mariah was implanted in January of 2000 and she died 3 weeks ago. She was 17. I am devastated. I don't know what to do first. I believe the VNS is responsible.

Riahs Mom

wow, i'm not sure what to say. my prayers are with you and your family. I have an implant, had a seizure last night and my husband said it helped. the vns batteries are only supposed to last 5 yrs. approx.

Epilepsy is scary. Find a support group in your area where you can meet to talk. Others in a similar siituation can be comforting.

 

God Bless

teache...

Dear Nancy, I cried when I read your reply. Things do work out the way they do for a reason. It is sometimes hard to understand the whys, but we have to continue to do the best we can. I agree with you 100% on everything. I no longer trust the government or any of the big pharma/technology groups. We are just little pons in a chess game for them. It is sad but true. It looks like you have done alot of research and legwork. I will write to Ms. Hamburg. I will also email my State Senators. One of the senators has been very helpful to me in the past when I was fighting AHCA r/t my son's Medicaid services. Your mom is right in some respects. It is hard to fight the government, but we have to at least go down trying. Even our little dents will eventually add up and make a hole. It is kind of like a pinata....our 2-3 hits don't seem to do much, but with every hit it opens it a little more until eventually it all comes out. Are you still thinking about taking it to the Senate Finance Committee? I will request this with my State Senator (Mike Haridopolos). I have been getting personal emails back from him over the many health/economic issues, etc that have been brought up by Glenn Beck. He tells me to "keep fighting." We are not alone and never forget that. They like to make us feel crazy, but we are not....we are right and they are wrong. I live in a little town called Mims in Florida. My email address is thorneatomicred@aol.com . I would be more than happy to talk further with you and give you any assistance I can. Mrs. Thea Thorne-mother of Michael

theath...

Theath,

You and Michael have gone thru a lot.  My Epileptologist initialy confronted me as being emotional about the trouble breathing and said it was asthma.  My oxygenation levels would vary, my speech level were common like others  w/ the VNS.  It was uncomfortable.  I thought I had a problem.  The Pulmonologist noted the variance in monitoring my oxgination levels and my speaking levels.  My Epileptologist, now, is sensitive in asking the questions does it hurt and now I am honest too.  I tell him it hurts and I still have the portable O2 in the house.  I am not so dizzy any more.  My seizures are still around but I feel I do not get so intimidated by my doctor.  I am afraid to speak to him, but I e-mail him.  I am grateful you're able to recognize the problem and address the problem right away!

I have pain that goes up my neck down my left shoulder too.  I really feel like a wacko.  THe thing it is not constant. It really makes me feel funny to mention it.

Thea you are blessing to Michael, a patient person.  I have worked w/ patients like, Michael,   and loved their smile as you work w/ them and they want to be on their own.  Michael, you are a great !

tonialpha

Yes, Michael has definitely been through alot. They have also shoved him into the category of asthma. I know that he was fine before the VNS was turned up and I will never let them convince me otherwise. He has been to his pulmo, ENT and neuro and no one wants to admit the possibility even of the VNS being the culprit. They just want to say it is the progression of his disease process! Baloney! I know the truth even though that doesn't change anything. I just want them to think about Michael's symptoms and maybe the next time consider that as a possiblity for some other child and save their life. Thank you for the support and kudos. We all need a little of that every now and then to keep us sane. Best of wishes to you. Thea-mother of Michael

theath...

Nancy B  I have some news for everyone. It is 4:45, Nov. 19 and I just recieved a phone call from a woman who is the FDA Director of the Advisory Panel that handled the Cyberonics' vns device. She gave me the phone number of the Branch Chief of the Postmarket Branch that tracks adverse events. I am to call him tomorrow morning to discuss what happened to my sister, and I will also talk to him about all of you. Now is our chance to be heard. Anyone who has anything specific they would like me to tell him contact me either on this site or my home e-mail: nancybowling@att.net Once again, this is our chance to be heard by someone who can actually do something about it. Thea, mother of Michael, NOW IS YOUR CHANCE!!!

nancyjudy

Hi Nancy,

I just started researching VNS side effects this evening and am looking for possible difficulty with breathing. If you
can provide some information or point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate it. I had no idea that so many
problems could be related to having the VNS, and my heart goes out to everyone who has been negatively affected by
it. I also feel very concerned about the deaths and other side effects that I was totally unaware of until now.

My son Kurt, age 36, was head injured in an auto accident at age 3 resulting in multiple disabilities, and seizures that started
about age 16. Most medications did not help, and caused bad side effects. Kurt has had a VNS since May 2003. He has not had
the battery changed yet, but it was checked recently and we were told that the battery still is OK.

The VNS has not stopped his complex partial seizures, but it did greatly reduce his depression and anger as soon as it was implanted. He
was not able to tolerate having it turned up to a "normal" level because the stimulation was too painful for his throat. A few months later,
he convinced the neurologist where we lived then to turn it off. It was off for a whole month, and the depression and anger came back immediately.
I was thankful that he was willing to have it turned back on, and the depression and anger again were greatly reduced. That was in 2004, and it has been on
ever since except for the early fall of 2009 when it accidentally turned off after being adjusted by a neurologist. We were not even aware that it was off until a few days
later when his regular neurologist checked him, found the VNS was off, and then turned it back on. We were told the VNS can accidentally turn off or change
the stimulation setting during the process of making adjustments, so it is important for the neurologist to check it after adjusting it.

I was thinking that the VNS has been a very good thing for Kurt, but now I am wondering about several issues:

1) Is the VNS really helping with depression and anger? Kurt had a major problem with anger in the fall of 2008 while the VNS
was turned on, but he had been off Lamictal (his only medication at that time) for 6 months. There were no problems while
the VNS was accidentally turned off for a few days in early fall 2009. Then in November and December of 2009, he had real
problems with depression and anger while the VNS was on again at its usual setting.

2) Is it possible for the VNS to give more stimulation at some times than at other times, no matter what setting it is on? Kurt has
been complaining of feeling pain in his throat more at some times than at other times, with no change in settings.

3) Most important: Can the VNS have a negative impact on his breathing? Kurt has had asthma since early childhood, long before he got the VNS.
The asthma has not caused him any problems in recent years unless he gets a respiratory infection. For the last several months, Kurt has been complaining
that sometimes when the VNS cycles on, he feels like he can't breathe and can't get enough oxygen for as much as half a minute. That is the length of time
that the stimulation is on. He says that it doesn't always happen, and that he notices it more when he is lying down. Kurt also was diagnosed with
positional sleep apnea in 2005, and was told to either use a CPAP or get his tonsils out. He chose to have his tonsils removed, and theoretically should no
longer have sleep apnea, but has not had a new sleep study done since having the tonsils removed. I have not yet done enough research to know what deaths
are related to the VNS, and now I am very concerned that the VNS might prevent him from breathing, particularly in his sleep.

4) Is the VNS actually helping prevent seizures, and even if it is, are there risk factors for Kurt that would outweigh this benefit? Kurt has not had a seizure for
nearly 3 months. This is the best that he has been in 20 years. This has happened since slightly increasing his low dose of Vimpat,
which has been an add-on to his low dose of Lamictal. He cannot tolerate most seizure medications due to the side effects, and can only tolerate low doses of
these two medications. I am very thankful that he has not had any seizures recently and I would not be thinking of making any changes, except that I am concerned
about possible danger to him from the VNS.

I will appreciate any information that you can provide. I plan to post this letter on Epilepsy.com as that is where I found out from you and other people that there
are many people who have experienced problems with the VNS.

Thank you.
Sylvia Hooper

sylviajhooper@gmail.com

Sylvia...

Nancy B  Sylvia, hi! I just sent you an answer, but I was not sure if I did it right, so I wanted to also post it here just in case. Just so you understand, I am NOT a doctor, so any move you make should always be discussed with yours first, okay? If you click onto this: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=146187741465&topic=11601 you might find some answers. This is a page from the VNS Message Board that was written by a woman named Laura who is the Global Moderator of the VNS Message Board. She is discussing on this page that the VNS device is showing to cause irreversable Neurological problems/disoredrs and that there has been an increase in MAUDE reports showing cardiac issues from braychardia to asystole, worsening seizure activity and breathing issues. She stresses that this does not mean that this will happen to everyone who has the device, but she wants people aware that it CAN and DOES happen. Do you know how to log onto the Maude Data Base?

nancyjudy

Nancy B  I am sending everyone some relatively easy instructions to walk you through the process of filing a Maude Report. First, go to http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...tch-online.htm That will take you directly to the Medwatch Online Voluntary Reporting Form [3500] Then you click on the BEGIN button to the right of the page. The Patient Identifier field can be left blank [I filled mine in so they could put a name to the person this device almost killed]On the next page, for #1 click on "Adverse Event", for #2 click "Disability or Permanent Damage", on #5 describe the problem. You can always leave screens blank and still move on from one screen to the next, however, you should be able to fill out most of the form using the steps above. Write down your report #, etc. and send that information to Mr. Doug Wood at:   doug.wood@fda.hhs.gov   He is Chief of the Product Evaluation Branch and reports directly to the President. This is extremely important. He will be collecting this information and bring it to the next Neurological Devices Advisory Committee Meeting and the more individual reports he can present, the better. If you didn't keep the model # or don't know the exact date of something, don't let that deter you. This is your chance to be heard, so take advantage of it.

nancyjudy

Captain,

You are not alone... by far.

Unfortunately the VNS is either very good or very bad.

When I had mine put in several years ago all I got were glowing recommendations. The only side effects I was warned about were that my voice would change (which it did) and that there was a possibility that it could cause or make worse an atrial fibulation problem.

Since I was suffering from afib, I had to be operated upon to correct that before I could have it installed,

What I was NOT TOLD was that the voice change could end up in PERMANENT paralysis of my lefy vocal chord, which did happen (are you listening, our actress who posted earlier?). I hope this doesn't happen to the operatic person who had the VNS implanted. I was a member of te State Champion High School Chorus for four years and now if I were to try to sing folks would be throwing rotten veggies at me, if I am lucky.

More important than that, Cyveronics did NOT inform me of another potential side effect, development or worsening of Sleep Apnea. They now include it in their patient handbook but they didn't at the time I had my implant done. I found out about this side effect by sneaking into the Physician's section of their web site.

I needed to do this because after the VNS was implanted, I developed Sleep Apnea and my neurologist told me there was no way that the VNS could cause it to happen because that us what they told him.

When I produced a copy of the information from the Cyberonics site he was shocked. I then had a meeting with my neurologist and a representative from Cyberonics where I made the rep admit that this was a fact.

So now I have a device in my chest that has worsened my life instead of improving it. Besides the Sleep Apnea, I have at least 8 or more other side effects running from hiccups to jaw and ear pain.

But it is the Sleep Apnea that is the worse. My quality of life is almost zero because of the Apnea. When the Cyberobics appologist one this thread says there have been no deaths from the VNS he is not telling the truth. Nine suicides from 1997 to 2004 and yet none of them are from patients depressed so much that their lives are virtually ended by having both Epilepsy and Sleep Apnea? You have to a fool to believe that. Plus 33 deaths from resperatory problems in the same period when Cyveronics itself admits that one of the side effects of the device is reperatory distress.

FDA's MAUDE reporting system has at least 10 deaths I have seen so far in reviewing less than 100 reports that are believed to have been caused by the VNS being implanted and one that was definately ruled as being caused by the VNS triggering arythmia. I noticed it because the VNS was hooked to the patient's right Vagus Nerve as opposed to the normal left hookup.

All complaints to the FDA are responded to with the citation that the device is labeled to indicate that vocal chord paralysis is a possible side effect as is the possible development of Obsessive Sleep Apnea.

The problem with that is the patient never gets to see these warnings unless shown them by the doctor. In my case he mentioned hoarseness but not paralysis and never mentioned OSA at all.

So is that the fault of the neurologist, who isn't eben in the operating room to see the device packaged or not? Or is it the faukt of the neurosurgeon who operates upon you while you are knocked out? In my esyimayion it is neither of thme. I believe it is the responsibility of the manufacturer and their new patient handbook proves that they know this just as well as I do.

Well, I have perhaps a year or one and a half before the batteries give up. AAt that point I will have to decide and odds are I will opt for removal of the VNS and hope that in 2-5 months my brain will heal enough to get rid of the OSA.

At that time I will have to hope a new theray is developed.

ChiTow...

Nancy B    ChiTow, wow. You are another one who is lucky to be alive. I'm not sure which Maude reports you were reading, but in 2005 according to http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/pdf/P9700035050b.pdf there were already 524 deaths with 102 listing the cause as unknown, 152 were from siezures, [after the implant, mind you] 99 from respiratory events, 24 from neurovascular events [stroke, etc.] 9 were from suicide, and 39 died in their sleep. Also, 1,644 serious injuries were reported by the sponsor, 40% of those required explantation. 324 of those injuries reported were from increased seizure activity. This device almost killed my sister and now she is permanetely disabled because of it. I'm really at a loss trying to figure out how this company is able to get away with all of this.

nancyjudy

i actualy developed sleep apnea when my seizures changed from controled to uncontroled 5 yrs ago.. there were ilregularities noticed in sleep during a eeg i drifted off to sleep in. so my neuro asked me to go thru a sleep study. i do in deed have sleep apnea which was never detected in the past eegs that i feel asleep during over the years. so when i got my vns in beginning of feb 08, it didnt make any difference. i still use my cpap as i have for the last 2 1/2 yrs. i breath just fine. my neuro told me back then that it was common with epilepsy to have sleep apnea. if you have developed sleep apnea from the vns, instead of having it effect your quality of life to almost zero as you put it, have a sleep study done, get a cpap machine to sleep with and get a great nights sleep every night. cpaps work great, they are portable, i take it on vacation, weekend trips, no big deal. it will really help you. good luck. 

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

banffgirl

i actualy developed sleep apnea when my seizures changed from controled to uncontroled 5 yrs ago.. there were ilregularities noticed in sleep during a eeg i drifted off to sleep in. so my neuro asked me to go thru a sleep study. i do in deed have sleep apnea which was never detected in the past eegs that i feel asleep during over the years. so when i got my vns in beginning of feb 08, it didnt make any difference. i still use my cpap as i have for the last 2 1/2 yrs. i breath just fine. my neuro told me back then that it was common with epilepsy to have sleep apnea. if you have developed sleep apnea from the vns, instead of having it effect your quality of life to almost zero as you put it, have a sleep study done, get a cpap machine to sleep with and get a great nights sleep every night. cpaps work great, they are portable, i take it on vacation, weekend trips, no big deal. it will really help you. good luck. 

GOD BLESS,

BANFFGIRL

LIFE IS FRAGILE, HANDLE WITH CARE.

banffgirl

I think you should seriously see a doctor at at top neurosurgery medical center to see what can be done to help you, even if this only means better pain management.

Here is a link where you can find a medical facility where you live...

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/search.php?spec=ihqneur& 

Of the ones on the list I have experience with... 

I personally can't reccomend Cleveland Clinic enough, so get up there if you can. I've also been to Methodist hospital, and their messed up billing system drives me crazy and I have no desire to go there again, but it might be worth it if it's close to where you live.

Sunflo...

I had my VNS implanted in November of '05, and it really hasn't done anything for me. If anything, like someone mentioned earlier, its a security device. The voice change has grown very bothersome. Right now mine turns on every three minutes, and I think its on the highest setting. And it seems like every damn time my phone rings at work, or I have to make a call, I don't have my full voice. I've also noticed that if it turns on while I'm working out (running, aerobics class, etc), I can't breathe--almost like I have asthma, I have to stop until its done.

/end rant/

pinkinmd

I'm new to this site, but it's comforting to know about others who have had the VNS implanted. Mine was done in October 2005, and I'm now on rapid cycle - which really bugs me as I have to use the phone a lot, so it always interferes with my conversations. I then have to explain I don't have a cold or sore throat, but ..........

The VNS has had little effect on my epilepsy after 18 months, and I'm beginning to wonder whether the operation was worthwhile. The actual operation caused my seizures to worsen generally - the shock to the body, I'm told. Since then, it's been very hard going, and my wife tells me she was against the implantation all along.
Andrew

AJR

I also have a VNS and yes, when I'm running or doing a different aerobic workout, I have to relax for about 30 seconds while it activates. It's a pain. I was a teacher for one year(7th and 8th math) and my students hardly could understand anything about a VNS and at that age, they don't want to take the time to even try to understand a VNS. I was depressed and just recently gave up teaching. I now am trying to discover a new career with an education(math) degree. But yes, the VNS has side effects that we must learn to live with. It took about 8 months until my VNS actually did start taking action, and my seizures ended for 5 months. I had one day of partial seizures after that, and nothing since then(2 weeks ago). We'll see where it goes from here. Take care, and I wish you the best.

dbrook

When side effects are bothersome from the VNS stimulation, the magnet can be taped over the generator to temporarily turn off the device. Sometimes people do this when exercising or when they are talking in front of crowds and don't want the voice to change at that time. As soon as the magnet is removed, the VNS goes back into it's preprogrammed cycle of stimulation. Here's a link to info about VNS.

If the tape doesn't hold the magnet in place, try wearing a jogbra and put the magnet between the bra and the skin. It does a great job holding the magnet in place!

Best wishes,

Epi_help

epi_help

I need some help in deciding whether or not to have this done for my child..she is 19, mild to severe mental retardation, with seizure..she has mild seizure most of the day. Some you can see or the doctors can track..it is the ones that last 4 minutes that the doctors are concerned about. She is currently on 3 meds for the seizures the doctor can't raise them anymore and she is still having them. The doctor gave me information this VNS Therapy...considering it if it will help her...I guess my question is....the magnetic bracelet that is used to control either stopping or making the seizures less severe...will it be affected by some common products like a microwave, cell phones anything with a magnetic in it...I have read some of the side affect reponses on this page and I have concerns about some of them.

westmo...

Did you ever make a decision as to the VNS?  My son, also 19, is given the option to have it implanted and so far I have read more bad than good.  I hate these decisions.  Parents should never be required to continually make them.

Denny

Did you ever make a decision as to the VNS?  My son, also 19, is given the option to have it implanted and so far I have read more bad than good.  I hate these decisions.  Parents should never be required to continually make them.

Denny

Sorry, forgot to add the link!

vns info

Epi_help

epi_help

It is VERY difficult to reply to this constructively. I even slept on it before deciding to speak.

The comments made by epi_help may be technically accurate, but do NOT speak to the topic of this post. The link given is an ADVERTISEMENT by the manufacturer of the device, NOT a comprehensive unbiased study of the Pros and Cons of getting the implant.

Please, if you are considering this procedure, do your homework EVERYWHERE and listen to EVERYTHING you read, positive and negative. Don't just listen to MY negative babbling OR epi_help's starry-eyed advertisement. Neither is probably a good indication of what YOU should expect. This is a permanent, irreversible procedure that will at the very least leave you with a wire wrapped around your Vagus Nerve. FOREVER. Do not enter this lightly.

I have to speak to something in the above link... I quote:

"The patient is usually not aware that it's operating."

I think this is absolutely a best case scenario and I doubt many will say that they have no idea there is an implant in their chest that is shocking their brain. I know every millisecond mine is operating.

I think it is not only misleading but downright negligent to post a link to the 'Best Case Posible' without also adding FDA reports and other information that show the 'Worst Case Possible'. Especially when the original question was about negative side affects!!!

If you make your decision based solely on epi_help's reply above, God Help You.

The Captain

TheCap...

Hi!

I had a VNS unit implanted in me August, 2004 When I was 54. During that time I have not incurred any side effects until approximately three months ago. I have taped the magnet onto my chest to shut the unit off on Friday, March 9th. and as soon I can visit my neurologist I will have her shut it off.
I am suffering from severe headaches,a heart pulse rate of 96 (when before the vns was implanted it was 80), great fatigue,sleep apnea, nightmares, nausea, extreme jaw pain, bad toothaches, severe choking and shortness of breath, bad cough, depression, bad tingling in my neck and overall I did not feel well. My wife saw a change in my greatly lessened tolerability and even asked my step-father if I was like that before and his answer was no. The vns unit has made the last three months a living hell.
Also I did not know that I cannot have a MRI test when the vns unit is shut-off,but I guess it is one of the vns units so-called benefits. To have a MRI test I need to have the vns surgically removed.
Initially I thought it was only me and I did not want to complain about these problems, but after I have read various comments posted by many people on various websites I realized that other individuals experienced many of the same problems.
I felt so relieved and not on edge when I put the magnetic over the VNS unit on Friday evening it was amazing.
Last evening I removed the magnet to take a shower I began coughing and choking radically which caused me to throw-up. It also felt as though a sharp knife was stabbed in my throat.
I believe Cyberonics should have tested the vns unit more before making it available and if a persons individual body is going to benefit from the implant of this unit.
I further believe the F D A should have required more testing of the vns unit because these are human brains.
Furthermore Cyberonics has not called me since the unit was implanted, but before that when they had a product to sell I was contacted many times
If anyone else has experienced these problems with a vns unit please contact me. My email is- sprucemont@charter.net
Also I have been in contact with a friend of mine who had a vns unit implanted in early 2004 and she also is suffering from the same symptoms.
Thank You, Albert Richenberger
UPDATE:I went to the my neurolgists office yesterday March 12 2007 to have the vns unit shut off and nearly choked to death in the nurses presence as she was trying to turn the unit off!
Later that same day in the afternoon this vns unit start choking me again as the vns unit started on its own accord.
I immediately was taken to the neuroligists office and she taped the magnet to my chest and said do not remove it as I think the wires are disconnected and sent me to Radiology to have my chest and neck X-rayed I now have a very radical cough. She said she did not trust the unit to not start on its own again. That is the reason for taping the magnet to my chest.
All of this is doctor witnessed. I would not reccomend that anyone has this unit implanted as it was a couple years before the side effects appeared.
I now feel that I am a prisoner of this unit.
read more on the internet last evening and learned that AED can not be administered to anyone who has this unit in them. Another vns surprise!
Albert Richenberger
further update:I was called this A.M. by my neurolagists office to tell me that the wires were intact, but the unit was malfunctioning and it had to be surgically removed as soon as possible.I have since then called cyberonics and am waiting for a response.
Albert Richenberger

Albert...

Youre not the only one with something totally funky going on like that!!!!

I had the VNS originally implanted in June 2000. I had the generator replaced in September 2006.

I had no problems whatsoever with the old generator. Then, about 5 weeks after the surgery for the replacement generator, early one evening I started feeling the pulse. Now, usually, my VNS is put on a setting so I don't even feel a tickle for more than an hour after the setting is changed, so this is very strange. The feeling on my neck became progressively worse throughout the evening until it became a sharp pain where it seemed like the lead wires were placed. Let me tell you, I had never felt anything like that before in my life.

Like you, my neurologist told me to tape the magnet to the generator to turn it off (!!!!). That being done, I was brought in for some x-rays which showed positively nothing - the wires had not become loosened or misplaced, and neither had the generator. So, he turned it off. It was left off for about 3 months.

Well, I was left in a pickle, because since the VNS was implanted the frequency of my refractory seizures had greatly decreased. So, I could either have it taken out, which was undesirable, because it was part of my therapy, or leave it in, which was also undesirable, because who knows if this will happen again?

I left it in. It's turned back up to its normal settings, and I havent had the problems since. But I really hate Cyberonics - I have read their stupid manual front to back and all their warnings so many times and they mention NOTHING like this. Nothing!

amsuss

Well I was called back by Cyberonics the afternoon of March 13,2007 and told because "because you had your vns unit implanted in August 2004 Cyberonics is not responsible whatsoever if you unit malfunctions as the vns unit has only a 2 year warranty". This is hard to believe for me.
Albert Richenberger

Albert...

Albert, This needs to reported to the FDA. Both you and your doctor can do this.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/medwatch/

Cyberonics will wine and dine you to get you in the door but kick you to the cub as soon as you have a problem. The unit has a one year Limited Replacement Warranty

"If you are going through hell, keep going."
(Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)

Work like you don't need money, Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching.

birdbomb

Albert Richenberger
Hi I tried to accomplish what you suggested but I don't have any luck typing in www.acessdata.fda.gov/scripts/medwatch
This company makes me feel like I have been abandoned by them.
Thanks, Albert Richenberger

Albert...

"If you are going through hell, keep going."
(Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)

Work like you don't need money, Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching.

birdbomb

Hi,
I have had the vns implant since 1998. I haven't had any problems with it, but I do believe you when you say you did. I know of one person at the same time who had his shut off. I think it reacts differently with everyone. They should take into consideration what you or anyone tells them. Who would know better than the person who has the implant?!

cindym

I had the vns implanted in 2005. Using the magnet has
givin me control over seizures. I've noticed when I've held it
to close to long the vns it gives me a feelin as though i've been
stung by a bee.

jenny45

To the readership,

I am late to responding to this thread as I just happened upon it. While I cannot share experiences and/or knowledge from the standpoint of Epilepsy I am experienced, knowledgeable and continuing in my research as it relates to the VNS Therapy as it is utilized for TRD (Treatment Resistant Depression).

I am not a patient but I am a very long-time support person and health care advocate and activist and I share our experiences with the VNS Therapy in an informed proactive website and message forum I use as a repository for my research, thoughts and opinions and the sharing both of the pro’s and con’s of this treatment option.

The site name is: VNSdepression.com

The link to the site is: http://www.vnsdepression.com

As I read through a number of these personal experiences I find the individuals discussing the amplitude and increasing the amplitude settings and yet no one is discussing the other parameter settings such as the pulse width and/or the frequency.

From our experiences many of the side-effects such as jaw and neck pains etc experienced by my spouse were overcome by adjusting and lowering the pulse width and/or frequency settings, for instance, while attempting to increase amplitude.

As part of my advocacy I encourage education of the patient and/or his/her support persons to make informed and un-coerced medical decisions in collaboration with a compassionate, trusted, knowledgeable and licensed health care practitioner.

While I do read here of individuals lambasting Cyberonics my position is that the relationship is between the patient and his/her physician and any additional assistance from the manufacturer is a plus. I’m curious if any of these participants when encountering side-effects from their medications contacted the pharmaceutical company and lambasted them for their product? As a knowledgeable and informed support person and having seen my wife through numerous treatment options I am well aware of the many side-effects and complications but the fact remains that the nature of her illness is life threatening and our attitude is “Nothing ventured, nothing gained” as we enter into the “Trial and Error Approach to Wellness.”

My wife has experienced many serious side-effects from several AED which are crossover medications being used for TRD (Treatment Resistant Depression) and unlike some we do not alarm and bash any therapies knowing full well while our negative experiences are also to be shared others are obtaining efficacy and benefits from the very same therapies.

I think it is also incumbent to separate in this instance the surgical procedure and potential side-effects from the therapy itself to be able to better understand and to make an intelligent and objective assessment. While there are reporting to the FDA and recordings of experiences in the MAUDE report one also has to carefully assess and understand what they are reading. As one particular individual I am aware of continually cites this document and has made allegations of deaths from the therapy the fact remains that no deaths have been attributed to the VNS Therapy and many of the MAUDE reports go unanswered in terms of being able to gather further and more detailed information.

I also wish to point out that the prosthesis allows for the interrogation of the lead by a lead test which when properly executed by a trained physician should document a break and/or malfunctioning of the lead.

What I feel is necessary are calm, education, careful assessment and collaboration with one’s physician(s) and them making informed decisions.

My wife has been implanted almost 7 years with one replacement surgery for the pulse generator. Both her surgeries have been uneventful experiences with the surgical scars being minimal and of little concern to her aesthetically. She also experiences no sensations as the prosthesis cycles 24/7/365. I've also listed her settings for informational purposes only and not to suggest one follow suit.

Most importantly of all after some 37 years of searching, pain and anguish my wife has been obtaining almost continuous efficacy and benefit from this therapy like no other.

If one has some time try perusing the website and the various articles of information I’ve researched and collected. Maybe there’s some information one might have missed to assist in achieving one’s wellness.

Warmly,
Herb
VNSdepression.com

VNS Settings
Output Current (milliamperes) 2.25
Signal Frequency (Hertz) 20
Pulse Width (microseconds) 130
Signal On Time (seconds) 60
Signal Off Time (minutes) 3
Magnet Current (milliamperes) 0
Magnet On Time (seconds) 7
Magnet Pulse Width (microseconds) 500

.

Herb

"Herb" does not have epilepsy, or depression. "Herb" does not have VNS in his body, therfore cannot speak FIRSTHAND of side effects of problems with side effects, surgeons, the company, etc. One thing "Herb" has failed to mention, he and his wife lied and decieved Cyberonics just to get her into the studies.

"Herb" also omitted, he owns stock in Cyberonics. Conflict of interest?

birdbomb
Hi ! I had the VNS implanted in October, and am still going thru the process of having it gradually turned up. In March, it will finally be turned to the low end of the therapeutic range. I haven't had any problems with it, and certainly not the "bee sting" effect you seem to be having. I do feel the tingling in my neck quite a bit, and feel like the next adjustment will be a bit harder to get used to. Each time i have had it turned up, it has taken me a few days to get used to it. This last time (about a month ago), it has taken a bit longer. I have used the magnet a few times this past few weeks, and noticed that it is definitely stronger, and although not "painful", it is uncomfortable. I would definitely have the neuro check it out, and see if the leads have shifted. Lots of people react differently to it, and your feelings should not be discounted by Cyberonics. I hope they have filed a "side-effect" report on your issue. Good luck, and keep us posted, Barbie *************************************** "We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can fly only by embracing each other." -lucian de crescenzo
txrhb1
re:vns therapy side effects Thanks for responding to me - I appreciate it. It sounds like you understand the tingling sensation at least, if not the bee stinging! I have had the leads checked and all is ok. I don't think Cyberonics filed a 'side-effect' report on this ( I'm not sure they really want to!) but now that you bring it up, I'm going to follow up with them and make sure that they do. Thanks for bringing that thought to my attention. By the way I love the quote at the end of your reply - it's beautiful. I will keep you posted. Thanks again, Helen
helenpe1

Being the odd one out but let me tell you my experience with the one and only CYBERONICS and VNS!! I DISLIKE THAT COMPANY and feel very betrayed by them.

I have intractable epilepsy after undergoing the removal of a malignant brain tumor in 2003. I was told my seizures where going to get better but they got worse.

I was 25yrs old married and had two beautiful children. I actually worked worked two blocks away from CYBERONICS BLVD. where the lovely "miracle devices" are being made.

So,I was convinced after a year of pure hell and not being able to return to work and my life taking a complete 360 to have the VNS installed. I went to the Houston Medical Center and within a matter of 2hrs I was admitted for a night stay in the hospital. Surgery was over and done with and the next a.m. I went home.

Well, what was the % for someone developing a post-op infection or there body trying to reject the device. If I recall it is like 0.4%. I was lucky enough to be one of those people!!! I had to get a picc line put in and 5 weeks of I.V. antibiotics because my body was literally trying to push the device back out. It was rejecting it. YOU SHOULD SEE MY SCAR!! IT IS GORGEOUS!!!

6 weeks later I had my device turned on. The moment it went on I noticed something was not right. I continued having it turned on for 6more months every week. I got it turned up to a pretty high and rapid cycle. I noticed it helped with my gran-mal seizures but the amount of pain it was causing me was making me a living night mare to live with. Sometimes I would tape my magnet over my device just to shut it off.

After about 8 months of this I just had it turned off. Then 3 months later I decided after my many fights with my husband to call Cyberonics and ask them what they thought about why it was hurting so much. My nuerologist didn't care and I refused to go back to my surgeon who come to find out by cyberonics was no longer allowed to put the devices in anymore. They suggested I go and see another doctor. So,I did.

I got to the appointment and he immediatly looks at my throat,my chest,and my armpit area and says "Your device isn't implanted right." Something Just Isn't Right There! I was rescheduled to go back under the knife exactly a week later for a revision or possibly to take it out. He said the surgery will take an 90 minutes. It took 8hrs!! 8hrs to clean up the mess the other surgeon left behind and to clean up the mess from the defective lead wire that was broken out of its protective casing wrapped around my vagus nerve.

I still have my VNS in because I am meeting again with a plastic surgeon to see if any of this scar tissue can be cleaned up from the moronic surgeon who tore me apart. However,there was a defective lead wire that caused damaged too and that bee stinging that you describe. More like a million in my case. I still don't think to highly of this thing and I think I will feel better when other manufactuers start making it and CYBERONICS stops holding the Monopoly on it.

However,look it up on the FDA website about the casing on the wire on their devices. It is not something they are proud to let know they have been cited for and have a problem about.

Good Luck!!

~~Amanda

trulyb...

Amanda, I have also been having lots of problems. My doctor and ER doctor have said that it is because of where the VNS is placed at this point. I have been going through pain. I can't seem to catch my breath at times. It is contracting on my left hand said of my neck. My surgeon said it would need to be repositioned but has taken a different stance this last time I talked with him. He says there is nothing he can do. I can't use it right now because of all the trouble it is causing for me. My neurologist office said that were going to call Cyberonics a couple of days ago and I haven't heard anything more. This is turning out to be a nightmare.

I hope that not many people have this problem. I hope you are better.

Denise

Neesy

These side effects are NOT uncommon and Cyberonics IS aware of them. They do not want the public to know of them. I went thru the same thing in 03 and had mine turned off. It was not a lead impeadance. It was not a generator malfunction.

I was in contact with Cyberonics and they were aware of several other people who have had the same problem. If you read the MAUDE reports from the FDA, you will see several that have been filed.

Even though the unit is off, I still have terrible pain in my neck, jaw. Stinging sharp, often sudden. This is damage to the Vagus nerve and/or facial verve. A lifetime souvenier from a temporary fix.

Please understand, VNS Therapy has been FDA approved for use as an adjunctive therapy in reducing the frequency of seizures in adults and adolescents over 12 years of age with partial onset seizures that are refractory to antiepileptic medications. There is no guarentee it will work, or how long it will work for.

It is permanent! The generator and leads can be safely removed, but NOT the electrodes that wrap around the Vagus nerve. I know of only one doctor in Texas who even attemps to remove them and that is on pediatrics only.

You CANNOT have an MRI. The FDA and Cyberonics have very specific guidelines for recieving an MRI but many places will refuse to do an MRI is there is a generator still in the body. You should NOT wear any kind of bone stimulator. You should avoid electromagnetic fields and that INCLUDES metal detectors. They can cause malfunctions of the unit. It is not recommended for those with sleep apnea or asthma, because it makes those conditions worse.

If this implanted in a child younger than 12 and the child experiances adverse effects or has become damaged, Cyberonics will claim USER ERROR! Be sure, VERY sure you are willing to put your child at these risks.

At the present time, I have been made aware of several children who have had their pitutary gland damaged from the VNS. This gland controls growth and these kids are living at both ends of the extreme, from zero developement to unbelievable growth. This may be a rare phenomenon, or may just be coming to light.

Children do however, on a whole, respond better to the VNS than adults.

Find out all the information you can and go with your intsincts. Do not allow yourself to be pressured by marketing fluff or sales reps.

Read the Patient and Physician Manuals. They are downloadable and available at http://www.vnstherapy.com/epilepsy/hcp/manuals/default.aspx

I also recommend http://www.vnsmessageboard.com
This board is devoted only to VNS patients with over 500 members.

birdbomb
I have the VNS but it is turned off. I didnt experience that problem at all. I would contact your neuro and maybe they can do xrays or whatever in your neck area. I would contact them right away. take care lisa http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/epilepsyapproach/
angel_lts
Mine was implanted in Jan of 01. It was on for eight months. There was no change for me at all. Unless I swiped it when I needed when a seizure was going to occur. It was turned off because I got sleep apnea from it, which is very rare, but it does happen. I really like the VNS now even better. For I can swipe it on again when I needed. It is like a security blanket for me, I have something to help me out if a grand mal was going to happen. Plus I hated it, when it was turned on. My voice is very deep as it is, and when the VNS would turn on it was very noticeable. But I would not do without it now. take care Lisa http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/epilepsyapproach/
angel_lts
Lisa, How do you turn it off? I still have a lot of time to think about it, but I might have mine turned off. I am a stage actor, and I do not like the vocal change. Thanks, Lindsay
Lindsa...