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cjad234
cjad234

Epilepsy and marijuana

Hi all, I was wondering whether or not the effects of pot on the brain can intefere with the effects of the epilepsy medicine Tegretol 400mg per day. I know grapefruit and alcohol have adverse effects on the drug's treatments and can lead to uncontrollabe seizure possibilities in some cases. However, in the case of weed I do not not if it does have any interference or not. So if anyone could help me here I would appreciate it. Thanks.Chris

By cjad234 at Sat, 02/05/2005 - 9:32am | 16308 views | 256 comments
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Recent Comments on this Discussion

It will be true that Marijuana which is purchased on the street is not safe for medicinal use. It is grown with insecticides, and fungicides.Psychoactive Herbs

psycho...

I have been studying the use of marijuana in treating epilepsy for about 15 years.

Marijuana in treating epilepsy may be therapeutic or harmful. Out of despiration, I even tried it once.

Please see my blog.    Use safe medical marijuana.

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Robin ...
THC IS A HARMFUL DRUG TO SOME MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENTS AND A BLESSING FOR OTHERS.
 
In epilepsy, HIGH levels of THC can TRIGGER seizures, but lower levels of THC
when combined high levels of CBD controls seizures. 2 AG is a
metabolite found in marijuana which may be a Neuroprotectant.
2 AG may be in development for use as a drug.

2 AG, CBD, and THC, are important metabolites in treating epilepsy.

Pharmaceutical companies have isolated and had developed several compounds found
in marijuana. Some of these are being studied as therapeutic drugs. 

Marijuana is available in different strains, each one unique with it's medicinal values,
and it's own high.

INDICA based strains tend to cause a 'BODY HIGH', is relaxing and sedating, while
SATIVA based strains cause euphoria.
RUDERALIS is a Russian line of marijuana, and in pure strain has very little THC.

>>>>   Certain Strains of marijuana that come from South Africa DO NOT CONTAIN CBD. These strains should  NOT  be considered as  MEDICAL   marijuana  <<<<

It is not known if those South African lines of marijuana contains 2 AG.

When choosing which strain to use for your medical condition, study the strains,
their family, and the percent of each metabolite needed for your medicine. List all of your
possible choices, and compair resistance to, or vulnarability to mold.

Very high levels of THC (20 percent or more) can cause a psychedelic like - high.
Sometimes THC is exacted from parts of plants. This may be smoked or eaten. 

What's the truth about marijunana causing anxiety?
THC by itself causes anxiety and panic.

CBD moderates the harmful psychological effect of THC, changing it.
THC and CBD togeather cause euphoria.

When using marijuana, always have CBD along with the THC.

Will it make me hungry?
Marijuana is famous for causing 'the muchies', - hunger for food. The THC in
the marijuana causes hunger. CBD, on the other reduces the appatite.

Strains that are very HIGH in TCH may be harmful in treating epilepsy.
Treating PAIN, requires a high level of THC.
Treating M.S., requires both  high level of THC and a high level of CBD.
Treating Nausea requires both high THC and high CBD.
Treating people requires compassion, and not just the science of metabolites.

CBD does not cause euphoria itself, but affects the euphoria caused by THC.
CBD effects a 'corporeal high', a 'body high'.

Marijuana is a medicine for many indications, including depression.

Epilepsy causes depression, which needs to treated. Marijuana  can help treat
this depression. The tricky part is controlling the level of THC. This may be
resolved by limiting the dose of the marijuana, the THC/CBD, both at each dose,
the total doses / day, and the total level of THC in the patient. How the marijuana
is consumed also affects the level of THC. Most THC is released from the plant when
it is smoked/vaporized. Most THC is found in the female flowers of the plant.
This can be complicated, as the patient may resist therapy to increase
the THC (because of the euphoria).

Ideally, marijuana would act as the only drug needed to treat seizures.   
More likely, it could be an add-on drug, allowing the other AED's to be given at
lower doses.

Many of these strains are available both SATIVA or INDICA,

Silver Haze, for example is available as

SATIVA  Silver Haze, or
INDICA   Silver Haze
 
For Epilepsy, SAVITA based strains are preferred.
 
They all produce a high WHEN SMOKED*. The problem is that they all produce a high.

If you need a medication, but higher levels of THC will chemically induce
the user to smoke more of it than is safe to use, or more than would be required,
for that patient, a high THC is harmful, and smoking more marijuana is also harmful.

Some people don't want to get high.

I have spoken to others who need marijuana as a medicine. One lady, who has M.S.,
had said that she is the mother of small children, and does not want to be impaired
by being high, she wants to be a mom. She needs marijuana as a medication because
it is the only drug that works.

Others don't want to be 'stoned high', all of the time. They don't mind being high,
but would rather control when, and how high they are.

* Ruderalis based strains contain very little THC, and may be smoked.

" One of the most under-reported applications of the hemp plant is its medicinal use. The flowers of the plant produce seeds, as is their purpose, and both are protected by resin glands called “trichomes.” Within the trichomes are cannabinoids, hundreds of chemical compounds that naturally occur in Cannabis plants. Most of these drugs do nothing to the user (when consuming Cannabis) but a few impart either a psychoactive or corporal feeling. When hemp plants are consumed in any way, no intoxication is felt due to their minute amounts of THC, one of the main active drugs in a Cannabis plant. Hemp plants do not get anyone “high,” nor are they used medicinally in exactly the same manner as Cannabis (vaporised, eaten as space cake, drunk in tea and other preparations or smoked as a last resort)."

See  Space Cake  for recipes.

WARNING!  Marijuana which is purchased on the street is not safe for medicinal use.
It is grown with insecticides, and fungicides. It may be sprayed with chemicals
to cause a better high, and is full of fungus. Marijuana is prone to insects. Marijuana
sold on the street will contain insects. Marijuana is highly prone to fungus.

Smoking or eating fungus is harmful. Eating or smoking insects is harmful.
Marijuana grown outside is subject to bird droppings, which contains MRSA,
an untreatable infection which my be deadly. MRSA acts like the flu, but can can kill
childen, the elderly, and anyone who is sick. MRSA lowers the immune system.

  
Medical grade marijuana should be grown in a controlled environment, and should be sorted
to remove fungal contamination. It has also been cleaned of stems and seeds".
 
Not all medical grade marijuana may be grown to avoid exposure to bird droppings, is
inspected for insects or their larva, or is inspected to remove mold. Mold loves marijuana
as a food. The seeds are a high source of protein and seed oil is a good supply of fats and
calories. Mold grows in storage. Cold does not affect most molds.


From the Cannabis College web site
http://www.cannabiscollege.com/medicalhemp.html

"Hemp flowers are resinous; the sticky trichomes aid in wind pollination of the species and protect the delicate vegetable matter from winged predators by trapping them or poisoning/intoxicating the bugs. While the resin glands do not intoxicate humans (due to less than 0.3% THC content in the flowers) the buds may be processed into pharmaceutical grade drugs or the cannabinoids extracted and then synthesized. Recently a cannabinoid called CBG (Cannabigerol) was extracted from hemp flowers and will be synthesised into a drug that reduces blood pressure. Tinctures, elixirs, poultices, salves and cremes have been produced from these flowering tops for thousands of years for a range of internal and external ailments. Many skin conditions may be treated with either hemp or Cannabis and plenty of products have been produced throughout the world combining the powerful medicinal properties of both substances"

In Epilepsy, EATING the plant may be therapeutic.

In treating pain, and nausea, smoking the plant may be needed.
There is one strain of marijuana which has been found to treat glaucoma, and several strains
will treat M.S.. There are many indications that may be treated using marijuana.

Download Big_Book_of_Buds.pdf

For more information on Medical marijuana and how it works:
http://www.calgarycmmc.com/endocannabinoidsystemecs.htm

A note about smoking marijuana:  Smoke is harmful. You are inhaling JUNK, including
Tars and other crud
. Some have argued that the smoke may be safer than tobacco cigar
smoke, but smoke is crud. So too is smoke from paper. (Use paper if you need, but
smoke-free is better). From personal experience, it is also a much better smoke.
Marijuana is effective as a medication. It kept me alive. Not having to inhale smoke is better.
Burning causes incomplete combustion, which genererates Carbon Monixide, Ammonia,
and other poisons.

There is a safer way; heating it. THC and CBD are released when the plant is heated,
before the combustion temperature, in a device called a vaporizer.
There are different models and types of Vaporizers. Many companies sell them at
various prices. Legal note: If marijuana is illlegal where you live, so too is a vaporizer.

Using a vaporizer does not smell up the room, your clothes, and your breath
doesn't smell.

Is marijuana a Neuroprotectant?

In several studies, several of the metabolites of marijuana were thought to have neuroprotectant properties. This was thought to help protect the brain from damage in many neurological conditions, as well as stroke and trauma to the head. To date, only one of theses compounds, HU 211 has been tested in clinical trials. In phase III clinical trials it had failed to show any improvement.

In my opinion, other claims to this effect are only loosely supported by research. There are many suggestions, but no clear evidence. There have not yet been studies on the many interesting proposals.

Can marijuana make me sterile?

It does not interfere with libido. In tests in mice, marijuana cannot make you sterile. It can, however adversely affect your ability to become pregnant. It affects both male and female.

An extensive resource for information see

 http://www.calgarycmmc.com

 

Robin ...

I cannot tell you how much this information, and this site in general has helped me in my struggle with epilepsy! I am a 22 yr old woman living in Portland Oregon. I was first diagnosed with epilepsy at age 11. My guess is I developed it from being on Riddilin at age 9 but my mom thinks it's from my birth trauma of having the umbilical cord strapped around my neck. Either way it wasn't until just this last year that I realized how cannabis was therapeutic for my seizures. From age 11 until my teenage years of smoking pot at age 14 my seizures, complex partial, would go into status epileptic-is and last up to four hours. Also they would happen at any time when I was awake. After I started using cannabis my seizures changed to only occurring during sleep and lasting no longer than 3 minutes. This realization led me to receiving my medical marijuana card which I am most grateful for. Along with using a vaporizer I take "Cannabinol" which I encapsulate myself. Previously I was prescribed 600mg Tegratol and now take less then 50mg daily. I find it very interesting the use of indica vs. Sativa. I will have to share this new info with my grower((:

Honey5678

This information you have given is a godsend.  I have Complex Partial Seizures, Simple Partial Seizures and Trigeminal Neuralgia.  I smoke medicinal marijuana to help with the pain of the TN and with the seizures.  I have noticed that certain strains do tend to make the seizures worse while some make them better.  I had no idea there was a difference in CBD and seizures.  But it makes perfect sense.  The medicinal marijuana strains I have had the most effective "treatment" with were always sativas.  Never indicas. 

 For instance, the Sativa Blue Dragon was phenomenal.  The seizures I had immediately STOPPED.  Stopped.  And they did not return the whole time I had that strain.

I had an Indica over the past few days and felt like...well...it was not pretty.  My seizures escalated. 

I always knew that certain strains made me feel better and some made me feel worse, but it is my fiance who handles the purchasing of medicinal.  I have always left it to him so I never knew the differences between CBD percentages vs. THC percentages.

I am also hoping to try Blue Vervain (Verbana Hastata) for seizures and the neuralgia this week.  

 

Unfortunately, I cannot take most anti-convulsants.  I either get really bad sfx or I develop a paradoxical reaction to them (opposite effect).  

 

This really is the best info I could hope for.

Lady D...

 Medical Marijuana has been made legal in AZ.  It is now legal in 15 states and the D.C.

SOME STRAINS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS MEDICAL GRADE MARIJUANA. Marijuana has many metabolites, including THC and CBD. Some strains of maruijuna from South Africa do not contain CBD. Those strains of marijuana should not be considered as medical grade marijuana.

THC alone causes panic. When THC is combined, however, it causes euphoria. A lack of CBD may not

provide a good high. 

 

   

 

Robin ...

At one point my seizures became so uncontrolled that my MD's had told me that there was nothing that he could be done to help me. No medication, surgery, diet, nothing. We had tried investigational drugs and an investigational device. "I can not promise you that I can keep you live from one day to the next.",  I had been told. My doctor had asked me if I really should be seeing him anymore - he can't do anything else. I know that he had tried. Several times I had died, 3 cardiac arrests, a coma, and 1000's of status epilepticus. I decided, I will try marijuana for a while because in about 2 month a new AED would be available. I took marijuana as an emergency drug - like ativan because ativan had stopped working. Marijuana worked instantly. It worked perfectly. It stopped all of my seizures. It did not make me groggy or feel 'out of it' the way that ativan had always done. I did not feel doped up. My head was bell clear, my memory was back, and I was not depressed. I was not sore, nor did I have a headache or dizziness, nor was I disoriented. I did NOT feel high. It was as if I never had epilepsy and had never taken an AED.

When I tried using it on a daily basis, like you would an AED, my seizures became worse. The THC in marijuana triggers seizures. I had been taking it PRN.

That was a problem. When I had taken the first time, as an emergency drug, I did not get high. If you take it chronically, the THC level in your blood increases so that then you will feel euphoric. Once I began feeling a high, I wanted to take it - for the high. This caused more seizures, which, I had thought would mean I should take more marijuana to treat more seizures, which only caused more seizures....

The anticonvulsant metabolite in marijuana is CBD. Some CBD, THC, and other metabolites are in marijuana smoke. So too is insecticide. Smoke is junk, and the incomplete combustion causes CO and ammonia - both toxic.

When you buy marijuana from the street, you don't know what you are getting. You never know what ratio of what metabolites are in one gram to the next, and since you have to clean the weed of seeds and stems, you do not know the mix of flowers and leaves.

You could lower the risk of burning it by heating it in a device known as a vaporizer. You get the same results but without the smoke.

This still leaves the problem of dose and self medication because of the THC. Most marijuana plants today have been modified to increase the level of THC, and plants have been feminized, no male plant (the THC is mostly in the female flower). People have increased the THC to 24 percent.  Strains of marijuana do exist with low THC and high CBD, but I know of no strain of marijuana that has no THC.  The more epilepsy therapeutic strains of marijuana can be available in states where marijuana is legal as a drug, but would be unavailable anywhere else.

Prescribing marijuana for a specific condition could be a legal problem for an MD, because someone could sue a doctor for experimenting on them.

Some people who want to use medical marijuana want to use it to legally get high. Some people who want to use medical marijuana want it as a medicine but do NOT want to live stoned. I had spoken to many people who want it as a medicine, but without the high. One lady that I spoke to who has M.S., had said that she has 3 small children to raise. She is a mom. She wants to be a mom. She has M.S., and wants a medication that works. There are  a lot of people who like that lady, and like myself, do NOT want to be stoned. Even if smoking too much would not trigger seizures in me, I still do not want to become high. I have lesser quality of life because my reality is messed up by seizures and their related epilepsy misery. I want to be normal / healthy. Being wasted or stoned is not normal mental health. Even if you are not stoned out of your mind, your sense are screwed up, you are clumsy, feel and behave goofy. Your memory is affected. You have tunnel memory. You can concentrate very well at one thing, are poor at everything else. Since being stoned is an abnormal psychiatric behavior, the drug causes psychosis. I do not want a drug messing up my quality of life, any more than I want epilepsy messing up the quality of my life.

I would like a no THC plant. Perhaps that may be possible. All marijuana is Hemp. But not all hemp is marijuana. Hemp also grows as a plant for its fibers - used to make rope, cloth, paper, and other products, the seed is used as a food in certain bird food mixes, and the seed is also used as food for people (the hull is removed). Oil is also pressed out of the seed. (Once I was in a health food store. They had "Hemp Milk", which is a 'health food drink' made with hemp. It is white liquid made with hemp protein meal, vanilla, and honey. It tasted awful, like toasted sunflower seeds).

I wonder if anyone has tried to use the (Non THC bearing) Hemp as a medicinal plant the same way that marijuana is used? Smoked, heated, or perhaps eaten.

 I would like to ask anyone who is now using marijuana as a medicine, if  you do get high, and perhaps enjoy the high, would you use it if it did not make you high?

* Some people smoke it as a medicine smoke it because they can not afford medicine. It can be a folk medicine.

Also, to anyone wanting cheap 'weed'. I used to live in IOWA. I was in the middle of farm country. Hemp used be grown in IA during WWII for hemp rope and for making sail cloth for the NAVY. A lot of hemp still grows as weeds in ditches, 'ditch weed'. People smoke a lot of marijuana in IA Some people use it as a medicine* and a lot of people use it because it makes you feel high. 10 percent of the people - including adults - smoke marijuana. If you do not draw attention to yourself, and if you are using it medically, the police leave you alone. There is a very high rate of Methamphetamine, and Oxycontin drug abuse out there. There are a LOT of meth labs. Police have to take care of meth and Oxycontin - which is near impossible because the people who sell it don't want any 'problems'. They do not have time to arrest someone smoking marijuana for a medical problem.  Don't sell it, or use it around/with children, and don't commit any other crime.

This ditch-weed grows all over the place. People who live there and use marijuana know better than to bother with it. Sometimes someone will find a lot of plants and collect shopping bags full of it.  Dogs pee on it. And the police will arrest someone walking around with 10 pounds of it. Sometimes dealers will collect ditch weed and put chemicals on it that will make you feel high, including artificial THC. People have made artificial THC, sold under various names, such as K2, or Spice. These chemicals will make people high, like marijunana, but are more powerful. They are not safe. People end up in Emergency Rooms with serious conditions, including hallucinating for several days. Governments have made these drugs illegal. When you buy marijuana on the street you don't know what additive are on the plants. Some people put poisons on the plant. Real (pure) marijuana is safe.  Adulterated plants are know by many names, such as skunk.

If I ever needed to use it again (I had stopped a long time ago), I would use it only if were a life-death decision. Today I have a newer drug which keeps me out of the ER, and is pretty good as an AED.

I do not believe that threre is any gate way drug. The decision to put a substance in your own body is the door that you had opened. You are the 'gate'.

I want a _healthy_  life as it is.

I would like to see marijuana legal, controlled, pure, and under the care of an MD. It does work for a lot of people. It needs to taken under caution because it can not be for everyone, and it should not be used by pregnant women or if they are breast feeding. Drug companies want to sell marijuana, because there is a LOT of money in it. They are working on laws and extracts and every legal manor to get this drugs on the market in the USA. Some day, they will succeed. I hope that it is regulated so that the drug will be pure, and the metabolites consistent.  

Robin ...

Question to people on medical marijuana. Does your MD know that you are taking marijuana? This is not a legal question. It is a medical one, does your doctor tell you not to use it?

Robin ...

I personally tell my doctor every thing i do, i smoke weed i take med.s . i was able to cut down on about half of my med.s with weed .''GOOD WEED " It work wonders ,i guess it would depend on what med.s your taking and the person , everyones different .i live in ma so, there is no magic card , to save me from the cops . If you live in ca, you could smoke all you want in your house . Every one should tell their docter every thing .the littlist bit of info can help sometimes .

luckyl...

Hi, so I was just wondering what medication you are on since you are smoking weed. I am on Keppra and Lamictol and I don't know if it will interfere or not. Thanks

superg...

well i hope this fall I can do my own thing I got a nice little farm here that will work just fine. Good luck to you and be happy. I'm going to visit my grandbabys for four days.
goldbet

popoc

The laws require that your doctor report to the law that you admit that you are using an illegal drug, and they must prosecute you. When I discussing the possibility of using marijuana with my doctor, although I not yet taken it, I was reminded that I would be getting a visit from the men in Blue, I scolded my doctor about that, and had said that my discussion was a question. "Well, I am obliged to report you".  I told him, "Doctor, You had given me a prognosis of death. If you change my prognosis, I will care, otherwise leave me be".  He didn't say anything. Whenever I see a new Doctor, they always ask, do you smoke, drink, have you ever, smoked, drank alcohol, used illicit drugs, smoked marijuana.... . I have to carefully say, that  I had tried marijuana, in the past. I also tried smoking cigarettes when I was 8 years old, I even tried chewing tobacco when I was 8.

I didn't know that you weren't supposed to swallow the chewing tobacco. I chewed an entire block of chewing tobacco. I was sick for a week.  My parents let me taste a sip of beer, but as it was not sweet, I didn't like it.  

Robin ...

I usually dont like signing up for all this just to make a comment; however I must respond to this comment. 

First I would recommend that you go to another physician.  Any Doctor in their right mind would never NEVER tell you that if you use or admit to using then he/she "obligated to report you" nor would the follow through with it.  That is a major violation of patient/physician confidentiality rights.  Also, there is not enough grounds to get a warrant for an arrest based on a Doctor or anyone for that matter reporting usage.  

The only legal way a hospital or physician can report usage is: IF it is Court ordered because of probation, parole or court supervision or if you are admitted to an Emergency Room for overdose or self inflicting injury due to intoxication.  

Your doctor should be making a diagnosis of your condition using facts and medical testing such as blood work.  It is their responsibility to inform you of all methods of treatment and recommend which would be the most successful.  A physician MAY inform or advise you that usage of Marijuana is illegal in the appropriate states that do not endorse use of Medical Marijuana.  A physician MAY also advise you that based on their knowledge and studies that Marijuana may not be a suitable method of treatment.  It is also the Physicians responsibilty to get you the information you need or refer you to a physician that is better equiped to make that type of determination.

Im not attacking you writer, however I am very concerned.  A doctor that is willing to violate confidentiality rights should not be practicing medicine at all.  

 

Dr. Kn...

  I can not say what the effects are, of combining marijuana and other medications, however on a personal note about dropping medications that may be harmful to your body. I have been using medical marijuana for twenty years after diagnosed with Epilepsy and prescibed Dilantin. After reading some of the side effect of Dilantin, I made a personal choice to try marijuana to prevent seizures. I have never, ever, had a seizure since using marijuana furthermore, I have never taken one Dilantin capsule. As far as the legal risks, at the time, I weighed them out and decided it would be in my best interest. I have to this day, no criminal record+.

  I now hold a Medical Marijuana Exemption Card and am Legally entitled to grow marijuana to control my seizures. There are other options besides big pharma. I am not saying one way is better than the other, but please do your own research. www.calgarycmmc.com

 

All the Best

Jim

C.M.M.C.

blaxeep

Because of the illegal aspects of using marijuana I feel unable to recommend it to anyone. However, my son has epilepsy (uncontrolled) and has simply refused to stop using it. I must say that generally speaking it does seem to keep him chilled out and calm which is probably helpful in preventing seizures.  My main concern though is the current trend here in the UK for the nasty nasty stuff that is called "SKUNK". I really believe that this type of marijuana is potentially very very dangerous indeed. It is known and proven to have a detrimental effect on many users and can cause dreadful mood changes, depressions, anxieties, paranoia and aggression, to name just some of the "mind altering" effects this strong stuff can have. It's NOT WORTH THE RISK. If you insist on using maryjane ...keep to the milder type of weed...IF YOU ARE ABLE TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE BUYING.!!!!!  Be very careful....love from Susie H

Susie H

Well I am supposed to be taking Epilepsy Medication.  Which in my opinion is a pill that helps you with something and damages another part of your body.  Anywho I am 30 years old and suffered a brain injury early in my childhood teen years and thus afterwards I was told I will be having sezirues, which I have in these past two years.  Now let me tell you this I have been using marijuana everyday I smoke it three times a day morning afternoon and night.  I have never had a seizure and feel pretty good.  in my opinion smoking marijuana helps my mind control my seizures if you can understand me, because when your under the effects of marijuana it's pretty difficult for you to have a seizure then and there.

Torres23

My cousin has lung cancer that has metastasised to other places, including her brain. She had a brain tumour removed last week and is now taking Dilantin. Before the op she was taking a drop of hemp oil a day to deal with the cancer.
here is the question:
CAN SHE TAKE HEMP OIL AT THE SAME TIME AS SHE IS ON DILANTIN?
thanks...

madzufi

I have a question. Is the hemp oil the same hemp oil that can be bought legally in a health food store or is in the hemp oil that contains THC?

Robin ...

ive been smoking at night before bed for years, ive always had trouble falling asleep so i cant blame it on the epilepsy meds...i can say however i feel more than ever that i have to watch my sleep levels. i didnt start having seizures until i was around 20, im 35...i may have had some teeensy episodes that went unoticed earlier. anywhoo, i was on dilatin for 8yrs and then it stopped wrkng(not that it was ever perfect), started lamactil...that didnt go so great, then we added topamax, pretty good combo, not perfect but best so far...lotta pills. had to switch to generics because of price(btw, did you know how much you can save going to costco? you dont have to be a member. at h.e.b. & walgreens, cvs, those pills cost between $460-$580 @ costco $38, $56). one time they switched the manufatcr w/out telling me and i freaked out, it was like i was going insane!!!! awful!!!!! i called them the crazy pills, now they are super careful and sweet... anyway, my real question was, the other night i went to bed w/out smoking and i had a small siezure just in my legs in the early hours of the morning. i would never have known, except of course the soreness...now those of you that have been expiramenting, or have tried and then quit, do you think this could be like a weird epileptic withdrawl symptom? if so can i stop it? i have a kid and i dont want her to know about this, i always planned on finding an alternative by the time she was old enough to reach my hiding spot and i only do it now aftr shes asleep...i dont want to teach her its ok to break the law, kids dont get the difference. hell most adults dont!!!

lilush

It could be both. A 'rebound' seizure. It is hard to tell, but I wonder if it matters what the cause may be as you know what does work, so just don't miss your medicine again.

Robin ...
  1. I have never ever had a fit when I smoked natural weed or realhash in the past and I usedto smoke it like it was fags and i believe it could help with some people's epilepsy's, (HOWEVER) it could also do the complete opposite with some people too and I know someone else who told me he tried a puff once and had a bad fit so he didn't ever touch it again although he drinks quite alot!! So all I can say is each to their own risks!!! I take tegretol 200ml twice a day which isn't much compared to some peoples doses, but I won't lie when i did smoke i only really needed to take half my pills daily or none(but this certainly isn't a reason for you to do that)= im just telling you my experience with Ganja and epilepsy!!!! Don't let weed take over your life anyway!!!!!!!! Smokings bad for ya as it is!!!!!    
Sash L...

I have epilepsy and am currently taking Keppra and topamax.  I have considered the use of marijuana before going to bed to offset my insomnia effect and allow me to get a good nights sleep.  I have not done this as yet.  I have been researching this possibility since Medical marijuana law came into effect here in Michigan.  What I have uncovered is that there are multiple strains of marijuana and one would have to choose wisely since they all produce different chemical effects on your brain receptors.  That is why it is beneficial for so many different medical conditions from cancer, epilepsy, gastric, etc....plus the fact that is the reason the law allows the patient to grow their own strain of plants to ensure that they know exactly what they are putting into their bodies...whether that be orally, inhaling, or with a vaporizer.  I would advise that you do more research and speak with your doctors.  There is quite a listing of different strains and data at marijuana.com to start with.  One would not want to use the wrong strain and have it cause a seizure. If your medical doctors are not willing to speak intelligently to you and provide you feedback, seek out information from medical marijuana specialists at care centers.  Just be open to the possibility that it just may not be the right option for you at this time.

artbyc...

I have a daughter with epilepsy and asperger's syndrome and I am starting to research the use of medical marijuana to help with her gran mal seizures also. She has tried numerous combinations of anti-convulsants to no avail. I am so terrified that another seizure and head trauma will harm her irrepairably that I am ready to try this as well. I also live in MI and now that it is legal here I could.

I, too have heard that certain strains, as well as leaf instead of bud, can make the difference in controling seizures. I have also heard that leaf will not get her "high", but just give her brain the necessary chemicals to relax, and not have seizures. I have not yet broached the subject with her neurologist, but want to do more research before I proceed.

I'd like to hear if anyone else has any experience with its uses in grand mal patients with the added diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorders.

cherche

hello, i registered here just to reply to this, i am a us navy vet, idont technicaly have epilepsy, i had brain surgery while i was in the navy,after which i began having full blown grand mal seizures. while i agree mmj isnt for everyone, i have found it to work wonders for me. i am still on 600 mg of lamictal a day i was still having seizures regularly. since i started smokeing about three months ago, i am pleased to say i have been seizure free and it has truly helped with the side affects i had been experiencing with lamictal alone.

mike s

Whats up? I happened to notice your comment here on the website and it caught my attention! I have some what of a similar situation and thought it may catch your interest! Back in 1996 I was 12 years old riding my mountain bike was'nt wearing a helmet, hit a tree at a fast speed and two months latter had an anurisme on my main artiery on my brain stem. UVA was able to save my life they straight up said before the surgery that I could possibly not make it through. Thank the lord I turned out rather well. I had a small stroke in the process I had to go through six months of therapey to relearn how to use my right side again. At that time i learned that i was having around 20 simple partial seizures a month and the doctors said I have epilepsy. The doctors tried me on all kinds of medications until 2006 nothing seemed to work. The doctors did a bunch of tests on me and figured that if they removed some of my scare tissue that it should stop or at least help with my seizures. Shortly after that i started having around two grandmal seizures a month and also 2 of the smaller seizures as well, so about 4 a month curently. I have been smoking four about 3 years straight and the days that i dont feel to good like I might have a spell I usualy light one up and it will hold my seizure off until my high wears off or if I do have one its usualy a smaller or less sever then ones I have when im not smoking. It also puts me in a good mood because the current meds im on (Lacosamide)300mg often make me just a dick to be around. The doctors are doing some more tests now to see if if they can for sure fix me know so well see. Any way figured I respond to you and share the story.

 

 

bigdru...

please let me know your side effects ive been on it and have no appitite and dont sleep well  and the list goes on

chas1228

okay, anyone with epilepsy and smokes pot is freakin ignorant. i have been there and done that.

is decreases your medication, and makes it stop working... and you will have a seizure! i have partial complex seizures, and smoked pot and had no effects for a while i was only having the seizures when i was sober, then i started smokin like every day and was loosing COMPLETE control of my mind, body, and everything.

i talked to my doctor about it OPENLY, and there are studies about it... ANYONE who tells you differently is stupid...

if you think a regular seizure is scary... i dont suggest smoking pot if you have epilepsy... it is probably the most stupid decision you could make with a health condition like that!

 

janedo...

Please Janedo: Who said that cannabis decreases the effectiveness of your medication? Your M.D.?  Do some research yourself and don't rely on the opinions of others. And if you were "losing complete control of your mind, body, and everything" you were possibly not controlling the amount of cannabis you were consuming. Also, you have to understand that not everyone has the same reaction to a drug - including prescription drugs. I take 1100 mg. of Lamictal and Gabapentin and nothing controls my seizures like a few tokes weekly. Check out the effect that Tetrahydrocannabinol a.k.a. Marijuana has on your brain chemicals and you will find out that they are very similar to those that anticonvulsants have. In the meanwhile, you might want to educate yourself on this issue before you call anyone "ignorant." Good luck!

Ruizde...

You are the one who is ignorant. Marijuana is used as a medication for epilepsy patients all over the world. Every creature on this planet with a brain has cannibanoid receptors. These receptors are used ONLY for positive purposes in the body. (such as stopping seizures all together) It is not a cure for epilepsy, and triggers can still cause seizures, but in combination with the right medication it is an means to an end for seizures. Besides helping cancer and AIDS patients, epilepsy patients have had amazing progress with the use of marijuana. SOME medications for epilepsy contradict the reactions of the marijuana and should not be used by someone using those meds but over all it is the right thing to do.

I am a leading expert in marijuana and have extensive knowledge in epilepsy.
I am not a doctor, yet, but I do have a lifetime of experience, in general, with both epilepsy and marijuana.

Make sure you have your facts straight before you rudely contradict someone.

Shadow...

Hi, can you tell me which AEDs are not compatible with marijuana, I am seriously thinking of trying it although sourcing it may complicated where I come from.  I'm on Tegretol Xr, Keppra and now Zonogran in an effort to get off keppra, side effects are really impacting my life now, I'm almost a hermit and my body aches!

 

Lughna...

Hello cjad234 and all your replyers.  I have a Ph D in chemistry and I know that the solution of the epilepsy problem can be solved but not only with traditional AEDs which will turn you down to a zombie. Can´t understand why all AEDs made today only have one goal: To stop nerve signals to spread. The Nobel Price taker Arvid Carlsson told me that dopamine and the D2 receptor is the missing key. Thousends of epileptics cannot be helped by traditional AEDs. The problem is that many AEDs increase the blocking neurotransmitter GABA and the result is that the dopamine level will be to low and the result is memory loss sleepiness and no fighting spirit. And in such a condition new seizures can easily occure. Marijuana increases the dopamine level (as well as serotonin level).

That´s why marijuana sometimes can be a good ad-on preparate. Many people have been helped by marijuana, not because it is an AED, but it keeps the dopamine at a higher level. You can feel it because it helps you to focus on different tasks.

I have intractable epilepsy. All different AEDs were tested but without any luck. But when everything seemed hopeless my doctor tryed to add a small amount of amphetamine with phenobarbital and dilantin. Suddenly I was totally free from seizures and could live a normal life. This happened 45 years ago and I am still taking this mixture. So of course I am very curious about how it works and even more surpriced why the effects of marijuana has been totally neglected. But it is probably because the abuse risk.

The effect of grapefruit is pure biochemistry. I think you know that phenobarbital is an enzym inducer. That means that your liver produces more enzymes called CYP450. Enzymes in this group are responsible for the increased turn-over of many medicines and vitamin D. Lack of vitamin D leads to osteoporosis.

Grapefruit contains many substances which block these enzymes. The result is that the concentration of any of your AEDs may increase. The concentration of vitamin D increases. If you take phenobarbital the concentration will increase. This mechanism will make it possible to take a reduced dose and still obtain the same effect as a full dose would give. But I would advise everybody who make this experiment with grapefruit juice to test the concentration of the AEDs in the blood. We are slightly different and the result must be checked.

Regards to you all

Bo Wikner 

 

bowikner

Hi, I'm interested in what you say about grapefruit juice as I was told to avoid it and could never get my head around it.  Its a shame neuro clinics don't test their patients for how grapefruit juice impacts the metabolism of meds on an individual basis, or that there aren't trials done to see how effective it is generally.  It could save a lot of people a lot of unecessary pain and hardship.  The cynical part of me is wondering is this purposely not pursued because too many people would lose too much money.  That is if I understand you correctly.

Lughna...

Marijuana is an amazing plant, it has many theraputic uses (except perhaps curing toe nail fungus. I had seen claims that it would). It is not without it's problems. If you are buying off of the street, you are likely smoking  insectacide. When you smoke it, because it is incomplete combustion, you are inhaling CO and ammonia, as well as a lot of smoke junk. You may also be subjecting your throat and lungs to a lot of heat (depending on how you smoke it). I had found that it is safer if you heat it using a vaporizer. It sill does have problems in epilepsy. THC triggers seizures. I did not like being high, having my senses screwed up, having a space time change, having some difficulty in thinking, some memory problems, and acting goofy. My seizures and my meds cause me to have sensory perversion, messes up my thinking, my coordination, my sense of space-time, and unlike marijana it is never euphoric. Suppose today that marijana were legal. If I were taking it, I'd probobly take more than is theraputic (for controlling my seizures). Marijuana is generally not addictive (there are some people who have an addictive personality that could be addictive to anything). It certainly makes you feel good. That is the problem in epilepsy. Too much THC triggers seizures. I would (actually I had) enjoy it so much that I would like to use it for the high first, second, and third. Marijuana  causes obesity -remember the munchies- ? Marijuana does cause  some psychological problems, but I don't claim to know the details. If it helps relieve you, and relax and soothe, it will have to have a down side, because nothing is perfect. As far as it being a 'gateway drug', or it becoming a drug problem? We will always have a drug or a subtstance problem if we choose to put a drug in to owr own bodies. You can abuse marijauna, if you had first abused yourself.

Robin ...

Sir, I don't recommned that people experiment by trying to see what happens when they take Grapefriut with any drug, because the results of that experiment may be fatal.

Robin ...

Best wishes to you Bo: Thank you for clarifying this information for those who were not informed on the effect that both THC and AEDs have upon neurotransmitters and behavior. Perhaps it will educate some of those who believe that THC is the one and only solution to achieve seizure control. And help them understand that there are other means of maintaining a healthy balance in their brain chemicals and as a result, control their seizures. I consumed Cannabis to help control my seizures and it really did work. But I grew tired of smoking and through some research, I came up with the same info you're giving us. I've decided to try alternative methods of increasing my GABA levels with a healthy diet and amino acids while at the same time keep my Dopamine levels balanced so I don't loose motivation, interest in my career, or pleasurable experiences i.e. sexual intercourse. This way I intend to keep my spouse happy and achieve seizure control.

Best wishes, Louie   

Ruizde...

1990-1994 In high school POT was bad.

1996 Compassionate use act

2001 had a seizure Diagnosed with EPILEPSY.

2001 till 2004 With or Without
MY DILANTIN / PHENYTOIN medication & with the use of MMJ.
NO SEIZURES.

2004 had a seizure put back on
MY DILANTIN / PHENYTOIN medication & with the use of MMJ.
NO SEIZURES until 2007

JANUARY 2007 MY PHARMACY SWITCHES MANUFACTURES OF MY PHENYTOIN MEDICATION REGULATED BY THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION & ALL OF A SUDDEN I AM HAVING A SEIZURE IN JAN, APRIL, MAY, JUNE of 2007
In NOVEMBER of 2007 THE PHARMACY AGAIN SWITCHES MANUFACTURES OF MY "MYLANS" brand TO " TORA " brand PHENYTOIN & no seizures but I developed a weight , diet , stomach, sleep, aggressive, hostility toward people that I was around ETC.

THEN IN JANUARY OF 2008 THE FDA PUTS OUT THE UPDATED WARNING LABEL OF MY UPDATED SIDE EFFECTS PAPER, FOR MY DILANTIN / PHENYTOIN, THEY INCLUDE WITH YOUR MEDICATION BOTTLE & SAW THAT THIS IS ALL NEW
HOSTILE, AGGRESSIVE, SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, ETC.

I HAVE NEVER HAD A SEIZURE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MMJ.

& SINCE GOVERNMENT EXPECTS ME TO MAKE THEM A FORTUNE BUYING THERE "DRUGS"

"WHICH CAUSES SEIZURES"

I'D RATHER WOULD USE MMJ SINCE IT WORKS & GROWN FROM THE GROUND, WITH A SEED, THE SAND, THE SUN, OH AND WATER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MMJ DOES NOT CURE MY EPILEPSY BUT TAKING WITH MY DILANTIN / PHENYTOIN,

MMJ BRINGS BACK MY APPETITE, SLEEP, NOT DEPRESSED, Not AGITATED, ETC. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& TAKES THE OTHER SIDE EFFECTS AWAY.

iforgot

Thanks for writing in.  Just to let you know, their can be differences in the brand name drug Dilantin and the generic versions of it, called phenytoin. The breakthrough seizure may have been because of these differences and not because of the brand name drug itself. People who have breakthru seizures or side effects when changing  between a brand and generic drug or between different manufacturers of generic drug should file a report with the FDA using their MEDWATCH system. You can find this on the FDA website at www.fda.gov.

Hope this helps. People who do have problems during switches should also tell their doctors so they can always prescribe the same drug.

Take care,

Epi_help, Resource Specialist

epi_help

OK Folks, I have Gran-Mal first siezure was at the age of 7 yrs old I am now 56, Retired from 2 Jobs which one was the Army (23yrs) Never said a word about Epilepsy. My Mother had me all over Chicago looking for the treatment that would help me. To this day I still worry, My Daughter now has siezures at the age of 30, There is treatment out there, You just have to find the right one !! I really don't believe Pot is the answer

shep53...

Hi shep530125,

I'm 56 too. I'm interested in your relationship with the Army also. Does the Army have a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy with epilepsy? I didn't experience many Gran-Mals until later in life, mainly as secondary tonic-clonics from clusters of partial seizures. There are many forms of epilepsy that don't always involve Gran-Mals, and some medical research cites that more than thirty-three percent of people with epilepsy experience seizures that are intractable to medicines, with a sizable proportion also not candidates for surgery. Which "out there" do you recommend as a source of treatments that includes the "right one" that you presume to exist for everybody with epilepsy? Is what you believe "is not an answer" for yourself not out there for other people as a possible answer?

Tadzio

3Hours...

Okay buddy you obviously did not read all of what i said i said that it is not for everyone but If your able to get off meds and take something natural that doeasnt cause harsh side effects then please do i was put on trrileptal risperdol pazil and yes 900 yes i said 900 mg of seroquel a day which did nothing but make me lathargic a zombie and cause long term permanent damage that i still have to this day If it werent for marijuana i would be dead I would have killed my self of suicide or overdose all thiose pills were causing me to become worse and violent i became extremely addicted It caused me worse problems And i did not say it is for everyone cuz its not But it definitly needs to be used as a medical treatment and not recreational uses and if a 15 year old were to try marijuana as a medication and find that it is way more efficient or as in equivilance to working the same as medicine then please do so the thing is that I am from USA California Were I Legally have my cousins state utah does not allow medical marijuana I have been diagnosed with bibolar disorded and have manic outbursts and extreme episodes If I am not medicated hourly yes i said hourly just as i was when i was taking prescription pills and the the thing I have been but on attivan when i was in a mental hospital and clonidin and buspar and seroquel you know that seroquel is for schizophrenia and bipolar and manic depression and bulimia and anorexia which I have all except for schizophrenia and Marijuana and Kava Have Replaced all the medicines that i have been on I was being heavily medicated listen to that 900 that is the legal limit for anyone under 18 my psychiatrist told me to take 1000 mg because nothing seemed to work to help me calm down or sleep Im not saying that this happens to everyone because every body is different and the way someones body is effected by it is different What Im trying to say is that If Someone is able to use something natural instead of a harsh chemical that causes addiction i say go green go natural and thats the way god intended it i understand man made drugs have saved peoples lives and yes alot of these drugs so the same thing by sending serotonin and dophamine through nuerotransmitters through your blood to your brain the same as alot of those prescriptions pills and those same pills cause worse problems in the long run its all bad seroquel is horrible and think absolutely no one should ever be on it there are so many natural herbs and roots that can cure and do the same thing as these drugs were do you think these dr got the ideas from come on now you honestly think putting something in your body that can damage the internal organs is safer alternative i think not if i had the choice and i knew marijuana did the same thing as all those pills did for me i would choose the all natural way and no im not to angry no understand what im saying as you obviosly did not understand Ive been put on a lot of prescription pills that have caused me long term permanent damage again im not saying go out and find a sack on the street and light up no no no this is what im saying If all these pills are giving you worse side effects that cause you to take more pills then you need to second guess on why the docs are giving you these pill its the mula its the money and they want it from you as do every american but what i think is messed up is that they charge $600 or more to get a months prescription of serouquel 900 mg that is and all it does is give me high blood pressure worse anxiety tremors all over my body similar to siezures and they kept feeding me more pills Pills are not for everyone is what im saying also Man made anything is not good no matter what is intended for think about it im not being a pro activist for marijuana at this point im trying to let people know that They are alternative ways if pills aren't helping I just encourage someone that is struggling with finding relief to check with there DR (DOCTOR) about if they are a candidate and obviously you dont watch the news have you seen on fox or abc or cbs about the mother that fed her son pot brownies? well he is autistic underweight only 48lbs he was on Abilify (also another pill that caused long term problems) along with many other pills and they did not help they were not working just making things worse he now takes pot brownies as medicine that he is ingesting and the mom said her son is only on 2 1/2 different pills now when it was like 7 or something but anywasy he has gained weight he can make noises now before he could not make any noises and he doesnt have any episodes now as with me i dont have as much panic attack anxety problems and im definitly not depressed anymore but before and even on the pills ive tried committing suicide that why im saying i know that every ones system works differently and i do not recommend taking marijuana with medications i tried to wing my self off the medicine while smoking and i had to wit till i was done with the prescriptions till i could smoke again because the mixture was very dangerous but thats not for everyone thats just me im expressing my opinion and I was 10 yrs old the first time I tried it and it was to calm down from a manic episode which started as soon as puperty hit I honestly think marijuana should be used to treat pms for girls suffering from pms which is similar to bipolar disorded (it is commonly mis diagnosed for the two get confused) Im not saying that it is for everyone but i am stating my opinion on how medical marijuana can be used for alot of the same things that prescriptions pills are being used for marijuana carries seratonin and dopamine through nuerotransmitters to your brain what to do you think the prescription pills are being called Seratonin Reputake Inhibitors for just for good looks or what? no its because these man made pills do the same thing that all the natural herbs do the american government decided to make their own version of what these plants do and they made it theirs to make money off of! im not saying that we shouldnt have alot of the medicine that treats and cures peoples because alot of what medical science have discovered has cured and treated people im just saying that there is natural ways in plenty of other countries like germany switerlanf france spain china japan india afghanistan and alot of other places that still practice ancient herbal medicine our bodies are just the outer being of ourselves do you know that there have been studies with people who have split personalities that that undergo A completely different persona as much as the persons to change from one peronality and have diabetes and then go to another personality and then not have diabetes and clinical medical tests have proven this and to so much of a change as to the persons skin will change when there personalities switch scars would re appear and dis appear im not making this up i wouldnt waste my breathe but what im trying to say here is that our bodies are all completely different and our minds are much more powerful than we even know we only use a certain percent of our brain image if we used 100% there would be no need to have a body everynight our soul (spirit or what ever you may consider it) leaves our body its thought to be an outer body experience (has happened to me more than once) in other words astral projection but this is something that was and still is an everday thing for masters of the far east these people were able to freeze water into ice they could walk on water and air by changing the molecules in the air into matter and mass so that they could walk as if floating on air they could communicate with each other without using anything but their minds and the energy their body naturally could produce and which any of us can do but we just dont know how to tap into that force that right there proves how we as people have changes because of what he had done and put into our bodies before we even existed why would anyone think that fake food is good for you like even butter is bad and its better than margarine but our bodies were not intended to drink or eat something that has additives in it i think after years and years of our relatives and ancestors ingesting and being exposed to a society where all these fake foods are thought to be okay and safe it has cause our bodies to change over time from the second we are born dill the day we die our bodies are being injected with harsh chemicals have you ever looked at the back the box and read the ingredients the stuff your eating read it like all the fat free sugar free stuff okay yeah its good suppoedly for people with diabetes but look its causing them worse problems a higher chance of getting cancer and lupous when you use sugar free beverages and foods because of the fake chemicals as well as all food can cause cancer if you do not monitor it properly which can also cause autism and seizures did you know that hah! yeah if your PH level is too much acidic or too much alkaline its all bad you have a higher risk of getting cancer and even death kidney failure just because people eat too much of one type of food have you ever heard of the book natural cures and what the doctors dont want you to know about i swear a lot of people think its a scam but yeah the book is a scam but not the information in the book it is all information that has been here on this earth for a very long time and a lot of people never knew about herbs to help cure things weell check this out i have a cat named fluffy and she got a very very bad ear infection and thanks to the internet and my grandmas herb book that she uses for making all natural soaps saved my cats life i did not have the money to take her to the vet i knew her ear was severely bad because it was leaking puss and blood and there were mites and wax build up from her being an outdoor cat and this cat wasnt really my cat i just always seen her outside so i started feeding her for several years and my grandma never let her inside and i didnt live there at all so she was completely outdoor but recently i was visiting and realized her ear so i took her with me and cured it I looked up online and seen she had a fungal and yeast infection in the ear so i diluted water and white distilled vinegar and used it was a ear wash then i got some calendula flower leafs and steeped it into a tea and and took some golden seal root and made it into powder steeped that into tea calendula and golden seal are all natural anti biotic property plants and then lavender which is an anti fungal i used that to clean her ear as a cleanse and wash along with hemp oil and lavender oil to get rid of the mites now that i had all at home because my grandmas bought it for me and she uses it for her soaps i only had to do this treatment a few times and now my cat is back to normal she is indoor and outdoor because she likes it outside still but thats proves right there i would of had to spend over $100 dollars on my cat to get her better but i did it all for free with stuff i had in the homeand thats all im saying is that there is a more natural way and if you think your a candidate as many people with epilepsy and autism and bipolar and many diosrded are they are candidates but not all thats why i said ask with your doctor because therer are doctors that are prescribing marijuana to children under the age of five because of extreme autism problems so why not consider its not part of a new generation because marijuana has been used as medicine for over hundreds of years

KavaTpoT

 

Is this a manic outburst, or a seizure?  

BeeBee

But i will say this< this is not something to really discuss on a websiteopen to families, right?

locori...

Mark Rivera

i tell ya what, i smoke the stuff daily and take depakote,topamax and ativan. i know from tried experince, FOR ME,  the pot seems to have helped .. not 1 seizure for me in a mont, when before it was 2 to 3 a week on meds alone.. just experince talking. Not a recomendation by far

 

locori...

Kava...punctuation please. Helps seperate the thoughts & keeps my eyes from crossing.

sugrad...

okay im going to start off saying i was Prescribed by a doctor trileptal along with many many pills a prescription pill that treats depression and SEIZURES and it caused me to have way worse side effects PLEASE READ ON.... no way medicine is way worse than marijuana I smoked marijuana when I was younger because I was depressed and bored because I wasnt in gymnastics and acrobatics anymore which was my dream I was a #1 gold medalist in acrobatics tumbling ect. since I was 2yrs till I was 10 and when i was around that age I smoked it to calm down because without being in acro i had way too much energy and emotional problems on my mind as when I was in acro it kept me extremely busy and focused but it was causing my grades to drop because i didnt want to do anything but compete and join Cirque Du Soleil when a coach from cirque named Nicoli begged me to join since i was one of the best and got 1st at nationals and accepted to belgium for junior world in 1997 at age 9 MY DREAM GOAL STILL TO THIS DAY is to join CIRQUE! so my mom and grandma thought I should focus on my education more and take time off but it just made things worse for me in school as far as paying attention goes i tried smoking marijuana and it helped alot for me to relax with mood swings and puperty when I was 13-14 I got back into Acro and competed in two groups a trio and a mixed pair I mean I was so good I competed with Shanae booth and Arthur Davis who are now in cirque and have been on americas got talent and performed a trick "I" Came up with but anyways I Got an Invite to an Audition in cirque and For Celine Dione's Production DRAGONE just like a Cirque show and i was still smoking marijuana to over come anorexia and bulimia but I ended up Tearing a Ligament in my knee and having re-constructive surgeries (I was put on vicodin morphine and other pain killers after surgery and they sucked they made me nauseas and edgy I went through withdrawals compared to heroin.... so I smoked Marijuana to ease pain nausea and marijuana had no come down withdrawal effect it made me happy and almost forget how upset I was about breaking my knee and actually allowed me to eat) then after surgery I joined my local gym began coaching and training again then ended up tearing my ligament again and used as little pain killers as possible and stuck to marijuana as my source of pain relief. I went to a phsyciatrist after the surgery because I was so depressed and upset with life that I could never compete or do the things I was able to do before and the dr's diagnosed me with post traumatic stress disorder from injuring my knees and loosing my dream career and diagnosed with anxiety and bipolar and manic depression and anorexia so they put me on all these pills like Trileptal Risperdol Paxil Zoloft Valium Xanax Abilify Geodon Wellbutrin Buspirone Clonidin Prozac Seroquel and many other pills I cant even remember but They all gave me long term problems that are permanent Tardive Diskenisia is a disorder that causes uncontrollable muscle movements Im very fidgety when I dont have anything to do with my hands I have a Social phobia its hard to be around a crowd I've never met and when I have a panic attack My muscles Shake and sway to relax and at night before I sleep my legs shake whithout me realizing and I quit smoking marijuana when I was put on pills I hated it I was a zombie lathargic high manic moodswings that got worse with every different pill so finally on April 20th 2005 or 2006 (420) i told my grandma I was going to stop taking pills for the day before and the day of and I Was going to see how much better it made me feel after being on pills for over 2yrs .... It made me feel better than I ever felt in those 2yrs My depression was completley It Treats my Anxiety if i get too overwhelmed and stressed out I'll Smoke Some Medical Marijuana And Relax I get real bad stomach pains in the morning and marijuana is the only thing that helps I get severe Manic Anxeity to the point where I Blank out and dont know whats going on and someone around me will have to sit me down and help me calm down to be able to smoke and as soon as I smoke the Relief is instant Nothing else has that all natural INSTANT Cure for all the problems a Vaporizer is the best way I Have My Medical Marijuana Precription and OCBC that allows me to legally have marijuana and grow My Little cousin has epilepsy and is now at the age of 15 and if trying to get marijuana prescibed to her she was also on many pills that caused her not top be able to play the guitar anymore and now she had a sugery that involves putting a difibulator in her throat and now she has trouble singer i think well she goes to a SCHOOL OF ROCK and now she is considering smoking or ingesting so i highly encourage you to find out if Marijuana Works for you.... Medical marijuana is definitly not for everyone and certain dosages and certain potencies are not for everyone If you dont need marijuana they please do not Try it But if you have taken prescription pills or are required to please consider Medical Marijuana Or Kava which is a methysticum plant that its roots of the plant have kavalactones and rhizomes that fall off the root of the plant and does the same thing anti depressants by sending seratonin and dophamine through nuerotransmitters though the blood to the brain seratonin and dophamine along with gamma are natural chemicals your body produces to make you happy and relaxed but when the body lacks seratonin it get depressed and out of wack well kava is an all natural plant that has no sideffects no withdrawals and you can buy it at the health food store and some grocery stores its called KAVA the Drops are called PHARMAKAVA and the tea is by Yogi brand kava tea natural stress reducer and pain and muscle relaxant its way better than any valium I've had Please consider an all Natural way instead of Prescription pills Its just a way for the government and fda to make money Our bodies were not intended to ingest man made chemicals or man made food for that matter food is extremely bad and can actually cause cancer i dont have enough money to eat organically and all natural but if i did i would because did you know even drinking cows milk can cause cancer anything processed enhances the chance of getting cancer our bodies are ran off of a PH balance and nuetral level of a consant 7 or a little above 7 can help fight against dideases they actually have this machine that cures alot of diseases by sending out light frequencies and it is known to help reduce tumours, cancer, parvo in dogs, herpes, insomnia anxiety depression and many other stuff even accupunctures helps with releasing toxins out of the body and if you do body cleanses such as colon cleanses and candida cleanses will help i drink all sorts of herbal teas such as calendula which is a natural anti biotic and helps with ulcers along with chamomile and i drink kava for stress and catnip tea for stress catnip is supposed to have to same qualities as weed just not as potent or effective but they give catnip to babies to help and prevent cauliciness or a fussing baby so if your not ready for marijuana or if marijuana is too strong then try kava and cat nip i promis just drinking tea will help Medical marijuana has saved my life in many ways along woth kava and other natural herbs like catnip skull cap fever few st johns wort and many other hers out there valerian root sage even i could go on for hours and dont mind if anyone has any questions i just know that it saved my life and gave me better morals in my lifestyle of living so thank you very mnuch if you took the time to listen and read my long sloppy mix match writting soory i ramble alot and while writting this to you I smoked my medicine and it helped me concentrate to write this.

KavaTpoT

  I'm sorry that your life has been a mess...not a "Tumbling" success. You should watch what you say and who you are trying to persway. Just remember that children(young teenagers) can read what you are rambling on about. If marijuana has been helping you... that's great I'm happy for you, leave it at that. Not everyone can just drop what there doing and go grab a sack or grow there own. I'm guessing that you're not from the USA when it comes this issue. I beleive now it's only 15 out of 50 states that have legalized it for medical use, but give it time. You just sound too angry to consider what you are saying about man made medicine at all.

  I've had epilepsy now for 8 years and this not from a man made illness "Encyphalitis" that I had. I was flopping around like a fish out of water when the ambulance picked me up. For 13 days I had over 100 seizures , 50 of them were gran-mals and some of those seizures lasted over 30 minutes each. If it was'nt for man made medicine "Ativan" that the hospital was giving me , I would be dead. Now I needed what was called a spinal-tap to see if I had miningitis...which also I needed to be sedated with a "man" made sedative. This is so I would'nt be misdiagnosed with encyphalitis. I've had to take over the years alot of man made anti-convulsant medications.  If it was'nt for the people who perticipate in the government trials on these man made medications.Who had run out of options, nowhere else to turn but try what's in the making. Now that's a bitch for these people, but somebody has to do it, if it saves there lives trying.

  Guess what... You won't believe this!!! I just had to quit using medical marijuana 2 months ago. There was just no reason for me having all the seizures I was still having after having brain operations. With all of the medicine that was controlling everything pretty well for quite some time. I was trying for a long time to use it to help with side-effects and hopefully it was maintaining some seizure control. I had thought it was and had every reason in the world medically proven to cover my ass to continue using it. I know every strain there is and how it has applied to being used world wide medically. It's just that you don't understand what you are pushing has'nt been tested long enough world wide let alone just in the USA too. Only thing that it has is anecdotal proven factors for medication side-effects and some given properties to help directly with certain illness'. You need to take your past and leave it where it is " IN THE PAST " and move on. If you are what is pro-activist for marijuana, take the proper ways to be for it. Trust me, I am for all the medical use of marijuana that has been completely proven so. It's not the cure for cancer nor aids or epilepsy...you are right it has its place medically. Just because Trileptal was hell for you guess what... I take 1800 mgs a day of that , I take 4000 mgs of Keppra/day , 400 mgs of Vimpat/day , 40 mgs of Lexapro/day and 50 mgs Seroquel/day(it helps my anxiety & get over the MJ). I have over 10 scar tissue lesions on my brain from my illness' impact in 2002. I need the medication I'm on. I feel bad for you ...you need to remember if someone just goes ahead and gives it a try. That could be a disaster for someone, it might cause a status seizure that lasts forever. Let time, technology and man do the rest of the testing and legalizing it takes to prove you right. Chill out, it seems to me you still have anxiety issues and still depressed a little, marijuana would let you shorten this rambling of yours if it does all you claim it's doing. Let your cousin finish growing up and finish school sober. You remind me of me ...like I said I had every reason for it but have you considered the cons. Your cousins 15 years old, she is too young for it yet, there are carcinogens with or without vaporizers.   

johnny

read what this article had to say when i typed in autism and marijuana this is someone else that gave her son pot brownies.........

Autism Research Review International, 2003, Vol. 17, No. 1, page 3

Medical Marijuana: A Valuable Treatment for Autism?

I am certainly not an advocate for drugs-either legal or illicit. I have never smoked and I don’t care at all for alcohol. And I agree with Oliver Wendell Holmes when he said, “I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk to the bottom of the sea it would all the better for mankind and all the worse for the fishes.”

Having said that:

In ARRI 16-2 we published a letter from a mother in Florida whose very large autistic son changed from a sweet, loving boy to a teenager who flew into unpredictable rages which “were usually associated with self injury, aggression and property damage.” She went on, “At times I had to lock myself in the bathroom; otherwise he would attack me. We gave him many medications, but nothing worked.”

A friend suggested a solution: a brownie with marijuana baked into it. “Soon after he ate the brownie,” she said, “my son’s anxiety disappeared, and his sweet, loving behavior returned. He shows no signs of being under the influence of a drug. He now receives one marijuana brownie and several doses of Marinol, which contains the active ingredient in marijuana, each day. This has clearly saved my child’s life and my family’s life.”

KavaTpoT

and more that was written do you see this yes it can have adverse affects but it had helped me with blood pressure problems and anxiety and depression so its all on how your body takes it

this is someone else not me.....................

On page 7 of this issue of the ARRI you will find a letter from Ray Gallup, a well-known autism activist in New Jersey whose teenage son has become extremely assaultive, sending members of his family to the hospital and requiring police intervention on a number of occasions. Like Ray, thousands of parents are dealing with children who are so out-of-control, and so violent to themselves and others, that they can make their own lives and that of their families hellish.

In ARRI 16-1 we published an editorial on various means of dealing with such severely self-injurious and assaultive behavior, but marijuana use was not an approach that we mentioned. Many drugs are used to control these kinds of behaviors in autistic individuals, including risperidone (Risperdal), which has a large range of highly toxic effects (ARRI 16-4). It seems to me if one is going to need to use drugs, one ought to consider a relatively safe drug, like marijuana, if research bears out the good results that a number of parents have reported.

I use the term “relatively safe” because marijuana and Marinol, the prescription drug that contains the active marijuana ingredient tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), do cause adverse effects-but these effects, evidence suggests, are generally much less harmful than those caused by psychotropic drugs. Marijuana may cause subtle long-term memory and cognitive decrements, although evidence is equivocal (see related article on page 4). The drug can cause cardiovascular problems including abnormally high or low blood pressure, fainting, or abnormal heartbeat, can exacerbate depression or other mental changes in vulnerable individuals, and can cause nausea, vomiting, weakness, or sedation. The word is still out as to whether orally ingested marijuana is carcinogenic (although there is some evidence suggesting that it is anti-carcinogenic), and there is some concern that it can precipitate schizophrenic symptoms in some individuals. Also, the drug can cause dependency and possibly birth defects.

Clearly, medical marijuana is not a drug to be administered lightly. But compare its side effects to the known effects of Risperdal, which include massive weight gain, a dramatically increased risk of diabetes, and an elevated risk of deadly heart problems, as well as a host of other major and minor problems. Other psychotropic drugs are no safer, causing symptoms ranging from debilitating tardive dyskinesia to life-threatening malignant hyperthermia or sudden cardiac arrest. Of all drugs, the psychotropic drugs are among the least useful and most dangerous, and the benefit/risk profile of medical marijuana seems fairly benign in comparison.

Moreover, the reports we are seeing from parents indicate that medical marijuana often works when no other treatments, drug or non-drug, have helped. Among the comments received by a parent soliciting feedback from other parents who are using this treatment for autistic individuals:

KavaTpoT

I have 49 years old I had more than 30 years of epilepsy and many many seizures. I was rising in a religious family and start taking drug for epilepsy at 13. Marijuana was devil in my family.I manage to try one time marijuana when I was in high school and I sleep great! But I felt very guilty because of religious matter and I start my alcoholic career more seizures more pills more alcohol.In my point of experience alcohol it is the worst.I finally start smoking marijuana 2 years a go because of my chronic pain and my uncontrolled alcoholism I almost die several times several seizure increasing the prescription pills for epilepsy..I'm just going to tell you MARIJUANA IS TH E BEST MEDICINE IN THE WORLD FOR EPILEPSY.Note: if you used IT, USE IT only for balance you body brain and everything... be careful don't over used it.I quit drinking and if I ever drink again my body fell really bad why should I keep punishing my self when I can live balance with out seizures.Marijuana makes you thirsty and eat well and water doesn't go with alcohol plus when your intoxicated it with alcohol you eat less an soon die for sure, if that's what you want will be a pain in the ass....   slow and painfull. YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A SEIZURE AGAIN smoke only just enough marijuana is so beautiful to live balance and with no fear of a seizure.SLEEPING PILLS HELPS TOOFeel free is you want an advice just of what my experience can tell

 

egarciae

i don't know but its sounds like you need drug rehab www.sobercollege.com . you have identifed as an alcoholic, and then go on to say sleeping pills help. it sounds like some one might have a drug addiction.

Zachy