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Take some responsibility

Wed, 12/27/2006 - 19:06
This is a repost, however I think it warrants its own thread in response to a number of posts where individuals have decided to do some cop bashing with regards to Police and their response to epilepsy/mental illness. Police Officers across North America do take training with regard to Mental Illness and what is required when they need to intervene. Since Police Officers ARE NOT social workers, nor medical doctors their particular challenge is relatively simple. If they encounter an individual that has come to their attention that is not acting normal they are expected to take some type of action. The action of the individual in question will decide on the reaction of the Police. Since over 500 Police Officers a year are murdered on duty in the US and thousands of others are seriously injured, some during such calls, they only have a couple of responsibilities. First of all they have to ensure their safety and that they go home at the end of their shift. (Too often the public forgets that Police Officers did not go into this type of career to get themselves killed.) Next they have a responsibility to protect the general public and thirdly they have a responsibility for the safety of the person that is causing the incident. To ensure everyone's safety they now have less than lethal weapons in case they do have to take action, but once again the action of the individual in question will decide on the reaction of the police. Items such as the taser, pepperspray, mace etc are all options for them. I would certainly expect them to use the tools that they have and to use them in the manner in which they have been trained. For some armchair quaterback from any advocacy group to even think for a moment that Police Officers should be able to identify seizures from a hundred other possible reasons for the behaviour is absolutely ridiculous. Think about it. All you have to do is read the posts and stories on this website to come to the conclusion that even specialists can't agree on or recognize seizures!!!! For someone to even think or consider this indicates just how selfish and irresponsible they are. These are the same people that blame everyone and everything else for the ills of the world. People have to be more responsible for their own actions and if they can't be responsible then guess what.....it's up to the persons family or other support/social services not to mention they shouldn't be in public by themselves to begin with. Don't expect the police to be the babysitters of society and don't put the burden of your disability on the general public. It's not their issue! I expect empathy from the social agencies and medical experts I use as well as support from them..... BUT I don't expect Jane Doe who is minding her own business on a bus when she is groped by my son who is having a seizure (that we know will happen) to accept or understand any of this. It's not her issue, it's not her problem!! People have to start taking some responsibility and quit blaming others. We have become a society of blamers!! Just be thankful that the Police are trained in less than lethal use of force options. Many of us still have our loved ones with us because of this. Folks we have court systems. If an unfortunate event takes place that ends up involving the police and the judicial system, we can have our day in court to offer an explanation. Hopefully no matter what the outcome may be we can learn something from it to ensure we or our loved one doesn't end up in the same situation again. If in the end we still feel that we have been slighted by the Police or treated unfairly then we can seek further remedies from the courts. And please don't believe everything you read in the newspaper. We are grown adults and surely we are aware that Freedom of the Press does not neccessarily mean Accountability of the Press. They will print anything in order to sell the daily rags. The more sensational they can make the story, the more papers they sell. Retractions made by newpapers months or years later usually end up somewhere in the classified section or the back of the paper...they usually aren't considered news worthy. "Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame. ~Erica Jong"

Comments

Maybe they can identify that

Submitted by cannas on Wed, 2006-12-27 - 22:12
Maybe they can identify that a person is having a seizure when they...look at the person's wrist and see the medical bracelet that says they suffer from...epilepsy. I don't know..just a thought. I've never "groped" anyone while having a seizure! You...your body...may make unusual repetitive movements, but not to others. It's like a reflex gone awry. where do you get the groping thing..oh yeah..see quote the writer offered. There are a number of logical fallacies in the following statement, can't remember which, but the writer certaintly jumps to a lot of false conclusions: "All you have to do is read the posts and stories on this website to come to the conclusion that even specialists can't agree on or recognize seizures!!!! For someone to even think or consider this indicates just how selfish and irresponsible they are. These are the same people that blame everyone and everything else for the ills of the world." Just curious...if you are wearing your medical ID, aren't engaging in dangerous behavior (let's say you're just taking a walk in your neighborhood like the guy who was on the national news) and you have a seizure, and you lose part or all of your consciousness...how responsible are you for your behavior if you aren't conscious? Which part of that gentleman's recorded video-eeg seizure (the guy who was arrested recently) was a lie fabricated by the press? hmmm.. Erica Jong...cough..hmmhmmmhmmmm interesting that you're worried about the morality of your son's "groping" while reading "Fear of Flying"

Again that "common sense"

Submitted by mcdonaja on Thu, 2006-12-28 - 00:22
Again that "common sense" thing has to prevail doesn't it. If an individual is actually unconscious then it probably won't solicit a police response, more than likely it would be EMS/Fire Paramedics. And I would imagine any Police Officer coming across an actual unconscious individual or someone having a grand mal would be able to figure out what was going on. Compare that to an individual who suffers a complex partial seizure and makes what is interpreted as an unwanted/unsolicited movement towards someone else then that will likely solicit a police response. In that case the police will respond hopefully as they have been trained. To rely on a medic alert bracelet is certainly asking a lot. I certainly wouldn't put the life of my loved one in a piece of jewellery. Sure my son wears one but its one of MANY things we do to ensure his safety. And no, I don't believe there are any false conclusions. ...would I expect them to recongnize a complex partial seizure given that they take on so many appearances...no. Would I expect them to approach my son without taking precautions for their own safety...no, and that means they're not about to run up to take a look at his bracelet, if they even noticed it at all and do you know why???....because they are trained to keep their distance...its kind of a safety thing that's drilled in to them for one very good reason....if they ignore it could get them killed. After the situation is "safe", however they see fit in the circumstance, then I'm sure the good old common sense thing would kick in again and if they didn't notice that piece of jewellery then I'm sure ems would. That seems to be the overall problem. People expect too much from others when its not their problem. If there is a concern that the person is not "responsible for their actions" in situations that more than likely could arise then guess what...you better do something about that. Not only could you be found criminally liable (for not taking actions to ensure your safety or the safety of others) but most certainly would be found civilly liable. Just my humble opinion....it's just very irritating when people blame everyone/everything else for problems or situations they just won't or can't accept. Fear of flying....naw wasn't her best works. The most recent one Seducing the Demon: Writing for My Life is a much better read.

Re: Again that "common sense"

Submitted by cannas on Thu, 2006-12-28 - 06:14
This below is a false conclusion, it's quite a jump..like 2+2=89. "Just my humble opinion....it's just very irritating when people blame everyone/everything else for problems or situations they just won't or can't accept." Your version of "common sense" sounds like "lack of foundation in logic and reason." Nowhere does MY post indicate that I "blame" everyone/everything for my problems etc. Sorry, I am still suspicious because if your son suffers CPS then you'd know that you are only *partially conscious* and you're actually hoping that the police act in a way that harms your son's health?? Since when is taking a walk (I am referring to the man in that ABC News covered) with a medical ID bracelet akin to committing a crime? Can you point out a specific federal or local statute that says that people with epilepsy who have seizures while taking walks (and wearing ID and taking their meds) are criminally liable when they lose consciousness, when the definition of CPS is in fact, losing consciousness (control over one's body movements)? Just because you are "there" doesn't mean "anyone's in the house." This is vital for law enforcement to understand and I think the video training for the police that's featured on the Epilepsy Foundation website shows this very well. Maybe we should be forced to wear large, golden identifying markers on our clothing ...

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