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Epileptic fits being no more than a mood swing under stress? Is this possible?

Sun, 12/12/2004 - 18:09
My psychiatrist has told me that i have epilepsy, caused by severe depression after I was attacked in the street and suffered harrasment when i lived in a different city. I have never had an epileptic seizure, but am depressed a lot of the time and i can become angry and distressed when someone is truly and heavily rude or dishonest to me (i will shout at them and cry). My doctor also gave me medication for my depression (Tegretol) which caused two hallucinations. I reported the hallucinations and the psychiatrist  said that they were a direct indicator of epilepsy. I am forced to think that this is a diagnosis caused by negligence, but he said that epileptic seizures can also be just a mood swing while someone is being nasty to you. Is this possible?

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RE: RE: RE: Epileptic fits being no more than a mood swing under

Submitted by fishfry on Thu, 2004-10-07 - 11:07

Hi,  I would first like to know if one hasn't had an epileptic seizure, what right does does a shrink have to diagnose it as such.  It would only seem logical that the client be referred to a neurologist.  Let me proffer a caveat here:  I am not a doctor nor do I claim to be.  However, the shrink would be qualified to say if it were a converision reaction.

 

Hi,  I would first like to know if one hasn't had an epileptic seizure, what right does does a shrink have to diagnose it as such.  It would only seem logical that the client be referred to a neurologist.  Let me proffer a caveat here:  I am not a doctor nor do I claim to be.  However, the shrink would be qualified to say if it were a converision reaction.

 

RE: RE: RE: Epileptic fits being no more than a mood swing under

Submitted by monalisa on Fri, 2004-10-08 - 10:38


Kaayla.


I quite agree after reading these two articles that were sent through to me by gentle wings, that further testing is needed,certainly a visit to a neuro should have been suggested-I have said that in an earlier reply. In answer to seizures being related to depression, the first link answers jude's first post. Research is showing there is a link. Therefore skyscape needs to ask to be  referred  to a neuro, and the testing you are asking for in your reply to be done by doing that.

I have again said that in an earlier post,a further opinion was required. gentle wings asked the question by messenger I asked in public, and therefore got the reply posted. I cannot answer regarding email from jude as I have not had any from jude, nor has gentle wings to my knowledge. I'm sure that gentlewings would have told me when they mailed me over weekend about this topic. Having read the 2nd link I'm posting, and the definition given in that for epilepsy, and Jude's first post again,I am still of the same opinion as I was in my post, that no benefit to skywalker was gained by jude's reply regarding hallucinations.There was in the third reply from jude, but not regarding casting aspersions on people who do participate in forums. I cannot answer for skywalker and were else they do post.


What is epilepsy? A brief explanation

In short, epilepsy is a condition of the brain. Epilepsy is not a disease. Brain cells communicate with each other by means of tiny bursts of electrical activity. Sometimes a group of brain cells has an unexpected, erratic electrical discharge. This event produces a seizure. Someone who has multiple seizures is said to have epilepsy, which is defined as a functional disorder of the brain caused by sudden, brief malfunctions. These malfunctions may cause uncontrollable shaking (convulsions). They may also cause loss of awareness, confusion or even disturbance of the senses (visual and aural hallucinations, phantom odors, etc.) The classification of epilepsy are divided into three main groups: Epilepsy Causes, Epilepsy Syndromes and Epilepsy Seizure Types.


http://www.bcepilepsy.com/_archive/24typesseiz.htm

Research is increasingly showing a compelling link between depression and epilepsy.  A study reported in the February 2000 issue of Annals of Neurology found that older adults who are clinically depressed are six times as likely to have a seizure as their peers, suggesting that a common factor may be the cause of both depression and seizures. Not surprisingly, some individuals who have not responded to antidepressant therapy do respond to anticonvulsant medications such as Lamotrigine (Lamictal), Gabapentin (Neurontin), and Topiramate (Topamax).  These medications are currently only approved for people who have seizures, but there are many case reports supporting their use for treatment resistant mood disorders.Following this link to it's logical next step, researchers have begun to investigate the use of an epilepsy treatment called Vagus Nerve Stimulation (VNS) as a treatment for depression.  Results of a VNS pilot study showed that 40% of the treated patients displayed at least a 50 percent or greater improvement in their condition, according to the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression.  Half the patients also had at least a 50% improvement on the Montgomery Asberg Depression Rating Scale. The condition of several patients improved so substantially that they were able to return to work or other normal activities.

http://depression.about.com/library/weekly/aa121900.htm
 


Kaayla.


I quite agree after reading these two articles that were sent through to me by gentle wings, that further testing is needed,certainly a visit to a neuro should have been suggested-I have said that in an earlier reply. In answer to seizures being related to depression, the first link answers jude's first post. Research is showing there is a link. Therefore skyscape needs to ask to be  referred  to a neuro, and the testing you are asking for in your reply to be done by doing that.

I have again said that in an earlier post,a further opinion was required. gentle wings asked the question by messenger I asked in public, and therefore got the reply posted. I cannot answer regarding email from jude as I have not had any from jude, nor has gentle wings to my knowledge. I'm sure that gentlewings would have told me when they mailed me over weekend about this topic. Having read the 2nd link I'm posting, and the definition given in that for epilepsy, and Jude's first post again,I am still of the same opinion as I was in my post, that no benefit to skywalker was gained by jude's reply regarding hallucinations.There was in the third reply from jude, but not regarding casting aspersions on people who do participate in forums. I cannot answer for skywalker and were else they do post.


What is epilepsy? A brief explanation

In short, epilepsy is a condition of the brain. Epilepsy is not a disease. Brain cells communicate with each other by means of tiny bursts of electrical activity. Sometimes a group of brain cells has an unexpected, erratic electrical discharge. This event produces a seizure. Someone who has multiple seizures is said to have epilepsy, which is defined as a functional disorder of the brain caused by sudden, brief malfunctions. These malfunctions may cause uncontrollable shaking (convulsions). They may also cause loss of awareness, confusion or even disturbance of the senses (visual and aural hallucinations, phantom odors, etc.) The classification of epilepsy are divided into three main groups: Epilepsy Causes, Epilepsy Syndromes and Epilepsy Seizure Types.


http://www.bcepilepsy.com/_archive/24typesseiz.htm

Research is increasingly showing a compelling link between depression and epilepsy.  A study reported in the February 2000 issue of Annals of Neurology found that older adults who are clinically depressed are six times as likely to have a seizure as their peers, suggesting that a common factor may be the cause of both depression and seizures. Not surprisingly, some individuals who have not responded to antidepressant therapy do respond to anticonvulsant medications such as Lamotrigine (Lamictal), Gabapentin (Neurontin), and Topiramate (Topamax).  These medications are currently only approved for people who have seizures, but there are many case reports supporting their use for treatment resistant mood disorders.Following this link to it's logical next step, researchers have begun to investigate the use of an epilepsy treatment called Vagus Nerve Stimulation (VNS) as a treatment for depression.  Results of a VNS pilot study showed that 40% of the treated patients displayed at least a 50 percent or greater improvement in their condition, according to the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression.  Half the patients also had at least a 50% improvement on the Montgomery Asberg Depression Rating Scale. The condition of several patients improved so substantially that they were able to return to work or other normal activities.

http://depression.about.com/library/weekly/aa121900.htm
 

RE: Epileptic fits being no more than a mood swing under stress?

Submitted by Karolwf on Sun, 2004-11-28 - 06:01
Skyscape- You need a neurologist NOT a psychiatrist to diagnose epilepsy! For a psychiatrist to prescribe tegretol without having the proper diagnosis from an EEG and/or MRI is absolutely criminal. Get yourself to someone who can diagnose properly. If you are having mood swings or stress related problems that is one thing but you do not want to be labelled epileptic if you are not!! nor do you want to take anticonvulsants if you do not need them. Tegretol can cause hallucinations as well as other anitconvulsant drugs which is a side effect YOU DO NOT WANT. Where on earth are you living??? Do you have a primary doctor who can give you a second opinion??? You need to see a different doctor sweetie.

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