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To seize is not to seize- what is the difference?
Thu, 03/31/2011 - 04:59
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
J Krishnamurti
I find this quote interesting and the more I think about it, the more I am unsure how to define health.
If this society has become profoundly sick in a certain sense, if the above statement does have any validity whatsoever, then what does it say about me...I feel I have been grasping to find answers since my first "seizure", grasping to find a new purpose, all the while eating pills in an attempt to get back to "well adjusted"...
No wonder I feel confused about how to feel "genuinely me" all the time.
much love
marty
I am extremely interested in how others may feel about any of this.
What does "well adjusted" mean to you? What about purpose? Are you more purposeful now or less?
Has your definition of health changed?
pgd has posted a few times now about somehow finding common language and definitions on words like awareness, consciousness, perception... this would make a very interesting separate thread.
Comments
Re: To seize is not to seize- what is the difference?
Submitted by thebettles on Sat, 2011-04-09 - 18:56
Hey Tadzio,
Your responses make me smile. They want to be so meaningful it seems and yet I am thinking 8 out 10 people who read what you say do not know what you are meaning to say.
What does it mean to be meaningful?
Are you wanting to be meaningful or meaningless?
Can you tell me the difference between the two ideas as if you were explaining the difference to a 7 year old?
Then explain the difference in a way that is pure 3hours...
I would like to see the difference.
much love,
marty
Hey Tadzio,
Your responses make me smile. They want to be so meaningful it seems and yet I am thinking 8 out 10 people who read what you say do not know what you are meaning to say.
What does it mean to be meaningful?
Are you wanting to be meaningful or meaningless?
Can you tell me the difference between the two ideas as if you were explaining the difference to a 7 year old?
Then explain the difference in a way that is pure 3hours...
I would like to see the difference.
much love,
marty
Re: To seize is not to seize- what is the difference?
Submitted by 3Hours2Live on Sat, 2011-04-09 - 06:52
Hi Marty, If you believe words are failing, try a fairly simple sound, like a unique bell ("unique" so the mistake made with the fictional "Ludovico Technique" might not happen). I used a rather unique bell from a rather strange old Reminington Rand typewriter and a modified electric cattle prod for simple aversive conditioning. It didn't take very many repetitions for the bell to have a great visceral effect, and the bell's effect has still not extinguished after 35 years. The visceral effect is not a nice sensation, much like a very weak unpleasant visceral limbic seizure, but within the realm of the same criteria (a strong clue that conditioned responses have much in common with seizure genesis and kindling). What is the "meaning" of the sound of the bell??? By Occam's Razor, why ask the question? Such misdirected and heavily loaded philosophically/epistemologically presumptive questions presuppose "meanings" with a cost of misunderstandings in a tremendous amount of needless confusion arising when Limbic Seizures give the intense visceral sensation commonly described, or labeled, as "fear". For example, Psychodynamics used in the search for the "meaning" of this "fear" has resulted in bizarre theories that include the "trauma" of umbilical separation anxiety and indecision on which breast is better to suckle from, and such search for "meaning" puts more needless baggage onto epilepsy than blaming the craters on the Moon for epilepsy. Next we will be told the theory that the meaning of the face on the planet Mars is epilepsy's failing escape. Or is an aura giving the meaning of seeing saintly halos? I like the concept of "infinity", mainly because it "violates" so many physical laws, which is a strong clue that it is as difficult to pin down as shadows, which don't exist. Will the next question be about what the meaning is of that that doesn't exist? Tadzio